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Did some people here really want us to draft Manziel?

Manziel is no certainty to succeed in the NFL. He is very high risk for a variety of reasons:
1) He is very small and he is facing Defenses that are bigger, stronger and faster than he has ever seen before. He will get hit.
2) His natural inclination is to scramble and he's great at it, but he will drive Cleveland OC, Kyle Shanahan crazy.
3) He has had the benefit of a terrific O-line at Texas A&M and a terrific WR in Mike Evans who was a mismatch for opposing CBs. Interesting to see how he goes without the same level of help.
4) He clearly craves the limelight. It is unclear how he will handle any adversity. Imagine being the coach that tries to tell him something.
 
The lions also picked bad receivers until they got Calvin Megatron Johnson....
 
Silly is the only word to describe anyone wanting Manziel and/or Bridgewater. Go back to playing your madden dynsasty.
 
Vaark said:
It's interesting that the Cleveland scenario is almost exactly the same as in '08 after we passed on the people's popular mirage, Brady Quinn, who, if Cleveland didn't trade up to grab him also in the early20s, it's likely he would have plummeted out of the first round entirely. Geo Santayana: "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it."
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The Browns are stuck in some weird Groundhog Day thing. They traded up to draft their past 3 QBs with pick #22: Quinn, Weeden, Manziel. Is Johnny Football the Combo Breaker?
 
spiketex said:
Manziel is no certainty to succeed in the NFL. He is very high risk for a variety of reasons:
1) He is very small and he is facing Defenses that are bigger, stronger and faster than he has ever seen before. He will get hit.
2) His natural inclination is to scramble and he's great at it, but he will drive Cleveland OC, Kyle Shanahan crazy.
3) He has had the benefit of a terrific O-line at Texas A&M and a terrific WR in Mike Evans who was a mismatch for opposing CBs. Interesting to see how he goes without the same level of help.
4) He clearly craves the limelight. It is unclear how he will handle any adversity. Imagine being the coach that tries to tell him something.
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The guy was a master at running around like a chicken with his head cut off and then just throwing it up in the general vicinity of Mike Evans while Evans made the play to make him look good. He's fortunate to have another big WR in Josh Gordon with the Browns. But I see this kid as a Michael Vick clone but much slower...he'll be a coach killer. All the coaches and front office personnel in Cleveland better be renting cause I don't think they'll be staying in Cleveland for too long.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I absolutely would have taken Manziel at 19. Tannehill's background doesn't suggest elite, not when he was 23 years old before he ever started a college season opener at quarterback. You can make excuses and be boggled down in conventional wisdom for years. I would prefer to gamble on greatness. Some of these pro franchises are so petrified of an unusual roster dynamic they make one tentative move after another, happily drifting alongside irrelevancy.

Tampa Bay was winless midway through last season, Glennon is nothing special, yet the asking price supposedly was a second rounder. If Manziel did anything, even in preseason, we're suddenly in the chips. Heaven forbid he took over the starting role and we could peddle Tannehill at prime rate.

I like JuWaun James. I made positive comments about him in every related thread. But in following his career since he was mentioned on Canes sites during that recruiting season, I never viewed James as a first rounder. He is a solid hard trying guy with decent but not special athletic ability. I have no idea how that is supposed to put us over the top.

The Vols have been finesse oriented for years. They seldom run the ball. James is a guy I would have been thrilled at in the third round, satisfied in the second. In the first round it feels empty, like we continue to verify that we are overmatched. Basically we forfeited the deep draft aspect. It may have been a deep draft for everybody else. We took a lineman who wouldn't have stood out as great value in the 19 position in ANY draft.

Frankly, once it reached pick 10 I was begging for somebody to take Zach Martin before our turn. I wasn't thrilled with him either. When Dallas snapped him up I was incredibly energized because I assumed it forced our hand and we'd have to gamble. I had no idea we would assign #19 value to another offensive lineman. At that point the only name that worried me was Ha Ha. Instead we manufactured another bizarre route, nicely in tune with 7-9 or 8-8.

We didn't want Terron Armstead late second round last year but we find JuWaun James barely past midway in the first. At one point this franchise was so immune from conventional wisdom paranoia and a log jam at quarterback it took Bob Griese high in the first round one year after picking Rick Norton even higher.
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Sometimes I totally disagree with your post. Like have the polar opposite viewpoint. Mostly I agree completely. I agree completely with this one.
 
I was dying to see us take him at #19, frankly I was shocked he was still available. Thought for sure Dallas would take him. I realize he's a gamble, I realize he's undersized, and plays with reckless abandon, etc. etc. etc.

Here's the thing though, he's an intangible. Go ahead and say he's got 1 year before he gets figured out…1 year is all it takes to win. Say he's undersized….look at Brees. Just as easily as anyone can list every reason in the world why he wouldn't have worked out, I could just as easily come up with a reason for why he possibly could've, but as usual we won't get to find out, and just as likely if (as I suspect) he becomes a huge star in this league, every Dolphins fan and their mother will be giving every "coulda, woulda, shoulda" scenario for the next 20 years.

I have two thoughts on this:

1.) "We need a better O-line/Tannehill wasn't getting enough protection/It wasn't Tannehill's fault he lead the league in sacks"
Manziel would've cut that sack number in half, guaranteed. Tannehill after two years, still holds on to the ball WAY too long, doesn't have enough awareness in the pocket, and often times exhibits poor field vision/decision making. Watch footage on Manziel, and when he sees the line giving way, he scrambles. He's fast on his feet, half the sacks last year could've been avoided (and maybe even been turned in to big plays) this was the guy to do it.

2.) You don't draft out of need, you draft the best available. If you're single, do you date some ugly chick because she's the only girl available to you at the moment, or do you wait for the right one? No doubt we needed a RT, but James was nowhere near round 1 draft value. This is a QB driven league, Manziel was the better value, period. After camp, if he looks great, fantastic, you trade Tannehill, Moore, or Devlin and patch up the right side, if he doesn't you sit him behind Tannehill for a year, if he doesn't improve you trade/cut.

At this point I hope I am wrong, sincerely. If I'm not though, remember I said this. Remember I made a thread months ago about how our GM should do anything he could to get us Manziel and how 99% of this board thought I was nuts. If nothing else, this could've filled enough seats to bring some excitement back to this team for a year…you think James is gonna do that?
 
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