Did we dodge a bullet: Russell Wilson In The Mix For Seahawks Starting QB

[NYNCDOLFAN]

Trust in Philbin!!!!! Common sense from the start was if Philbin wanted Flynn we would have had him. The media dopes can talk all they want about how we didn't want to pay him it's nonsense

 

[dolpns13]

Or maybe Pete Carroll is being smart, and saying everything is an open competition.
Make everyone fight their tailss off, instead of saying it's only A or B competing. Everyone has a shot, I want the best player to play.

Reading a little too much into it I believe.

I dont think that is being smart at all.. What does that do to the confidence level of their franchise QB? When you sign a franchise QB, you DO NOT have or even say you are having a QB competition. When we drafted Henne and signed Pennington, did we say we are having a QB competition, no, Pennington was named the starter, and he didnt come in until the middle of preseason.

 

[gardena19]

Yeah, that must be it...

Whereas I thought the play would have been to sign a QB that has been groomed for 4 years in our new HC system and had the best 2 game start in NFL history along with a QB that led the nation in passing (above Luck, RG3, etc...) and led his team to an 11-3 record and a trip to the Rose Bowl along with still having the #8 pick to draft Floyd or Coples or Decastro or...a player that could make an immediate impact.

My guy: 225 comp, 309 att, 72.8% comp, 3,175 yards, 10.3 YPC, 33 TD, 4 int, 191.8 QB rating (#1)...11-3 record, won Big 10 title (had to learn a new offense his senior season after transferring from NCST).

You would rather have signed a 34 year old QB coming off back surgery and spend the #8 pick on a QB almost every expert is saying needs time to develop and led his team that was ranked top 10 at the beginning of the season to a 7-6 record with the #8 pick.

Your guy: 327 comp, 531 att, 61.6% comp, 3,744 yards, 7.1 YPC, 29 TD, 15 int, 133.2 QB rating (#56)...7-6 record, 7th in Big 12.

Honestly, I like Tannehill and hope he turns out to be the best QB in all the draft since he is on the Dolphins. I'll be cheering for Tannehill but to now say that I thought Tannehill was the right call all along when, in fact, I didn't would make me a hypocrite.

Perhaps you can explain how spending the #8 pick of the draft on a developmental QB while not spending the #8 pick on an impact player has lifted Miami above mediocrity?

IMO having Flynn/Coples (Kuechly or Decastro or Floyd)/Martin/Wilson >>> Garrard/Tannehill/Martin/Vernon

You make valid points......its just a matter of opinion...I think Flynn has a very mediocre arm and is just a product of the system he was in...Wilson is just too small...Tannehill has holes as well, but I like his upside....it will be interesting to find out who made the right call in the next several years....

 

[ChambersWI]

Was he really that good? I don't recall a whole lot said about him.

3,175 passing yards, 73% completion percentage, 191.8 efficiency rating, 33 touchdowns and 4 interceptions in a pro offense. If it wasn't for Monte Ball's season with TDs, Wilson would have been getting Heisman hype.

Hell look at him at NC State, he was extremely good there as well in a pro offense. If it weren't for the fact he is short and many thought he'd stay with baseball more people would be talking about him.

 

[Kinzua]

I think R. Wilson has the heart for the game. His talent and size reminds me of Pat White though. Odds are his height is really gonna hold him back from become successful in the NFL. Of course I could be wrong.

It's less about his talent and more about his size. He's about 5'10" I think. If he'd been 6'2" (Griffin's size), he would have been a top 5 pick IMO. He's that good. He was great at NCST, graduated, and finished his career at Wisconsin. Outstanding at both schools.

The Bills were interested in him as they had him in for pre-draft interview. I think they were thinking to take him in the fourth, but Seattle grabbed him first. I would NOT be surprised if he ended up the Seahags' starter before the season is out.

 

[baka98]

You gotta think that if Wilson can beat out Flynn, that the Dolphins saw something that they didn't like and that we just don't understand.

 

[Nublar7]

It is obvious that no NFL team viewed Matt Flynn as a clear choice to hand the offense over to and build the team around. That is why Miami offered backup/compete for a starting job type money and not clear cut starter money like the $10 million a year he was originally seeking. Seattle views Flynn the same way apparently since he is competing with a struggling veteran and a 3rd round rookie. If you were 100% sold he was a franchise caliber quarterback there would be no competition. Also, when your head coach was his Coordinator the past four years and isn't 100% sold that speaks volumes.

Miami didn't need another competition guy, they needed someone to build the franchise around. Maybe Flynn becomes the starter in Seattle and maybe he plays decent. But Miami wants/needs something better for the long term than another stop gap like Fiedler or Pennington they need someone who they can say is the guy and the guy to build the future around. Maybe Tannehill doesn't pan out, but he fits the mold they need much better than Flynn does.

 

[mktimber]

Look at the source -- of course Carroll is going to say he loves him. He drafted him higher than some thought he should go. Preseason should be interesting. I wonder what Wilson will do with pads on

 

[twohype]

I don't think we didn't dodge any bullets, I think we flat out missed on both Flynn and Wilson. I though all along signing Flynn in the off season was the way to go. When that didn't happen I thought spending our 1st and 2nd round picks to fill other needs and drafting Wilson in the 3rd to address the QB was the right play. Personally, I think Seattle executed what should have been Miami's game plan perfectly...twice!

Nope....Flynn IMHO is simply not great, T-Hill clearly has higher potential for greatest period, Wilson however is pretty good he's just too short. I like like T-Hill better than Wilson period, however I like Wilson better than Flynn so do not be surprised if Wilson beats out Flynn :-)

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It is obvious that no NFL team viewed Matt Flynn as a clear choice to hand the offense over to and build the team around. That is why Miami offered backup/compete for a starting job type money and not clear cut starter money like the $10 million a year he was originally seeking. Seattle views Flynn the same way apparently since he is competing with a struggling veteran and a 3rd round rookie. If you were 100% sold he was a franchise caliber quarterback there would be no competition. Also, when your head coach was his Coordinator the past four years and isn't 100% sold that speaks volumes.

Miami didn't need another competition guy, they needed someone to build the franchise around. Maybe Flynn becomes the starter in Seattle and maybe he plays decent. But Miami wants/needs something better for the long term than another stop gap like Fiedler or Pennington they need someone who they can say is the guy and the guy to build the future around. Maybe Tannehill doesn't pan out, but he fits the mold they need much better than Flynn does.

Outstanding points....right on target :-)

 

[ckparrothead]

to me its hedging your bets...if i don't have a conviction about what matt flynn can be in this league i'm not asking my owner to pony up $10 mil guaranteed on what i view as a stop gap...especially not when we're the only ones willing to get to that number...just seems odd to me to go about things that way...in 2 years flynn will still be in his prime i also think it sends a mixed message to flynn now

I fail to see what's wrong with diversifying risk. Perhaps that's the asset manager in me talking.

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Didn't Schneider also say there was a good chance they would have drafted Tannehill if he dropped to them? Does that mean that he viewed Tannehill as one of the the Top 2 players in the draft?

Don't know when he said that. I know that before the Draft they let themselves be seen fawning all over Ryan Tannehill, saying that there's no way he'll fall to their pick. That doesn't mean anything. Could very well have been and probably was just smokescreen.

 

[Tunaphish429]

If Wilson is really outshining flynn then Miami dodge a bullet with not signing him. Pete Carroll is all about competition tho. I have heard him say it time and time again he thinks it brings out the best in players. As far as Wilson is concerned I am sure Seattle is trying to talk him up and make him look good...hoping that if flynn does in deed win the job and does it in a slim fashion to make Wilson look real good. I could imagine Seattle trying to drive up his stock in hoping another team comes calling in a few years...

 

[SkapePhin]

I fail to see what's wrong with diversifying risk. Perhaps that's the asset manager in me talking.

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Don't know when he said that. I know that before the Draft they let themselves be seen fawning all over Ryan Tannehill, saying that there's no way he'll fall to their pick. That doesn't mean anything. Could very well have been and probably was just smokescreen.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/...ortable-that-no-one-talked-about-bruce-irvin/

Schneider also admitted Tuesday that there was a “strong possibility” the Seahawks would have taken quarterback Ryan Tannehill if he had still been available at No. 12 (he was drafted by Miami at No. 8). But he wasn’t, and the Seahawks selected quarterback Russell Wilson with their third-round pick.

 

[JCane]

His competing for the starting job has nothing to do with Matt Flynn's performance thus far. It has nothing to do with Russell Wilson's performance thus far, for that matter. It has everything to do with the fact that Russell Wilson was the 3rd best player on John Schneider's draft board PERIOD. Not the third best quarterback, the third best player he saw in all college football in 2011.

You don't have to be a draft guru to know that this right here is just incredibly stupid at best.

 

[CANDolphan]

Could very well have been and probably was just smokescreen.

A lot of people would say Miami was being overly clairvoyant about their love of Tannehill and how it could be a smoke screen...

There's no "probably was" about it, because they never got the chance to pass on the guy. It's purely a guess on your part. I also have some SERIOUS doubt on a guy passing on a guy in the 2nd round if he's the THIRD BEST PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE DRAFT on their board.

Where did you hear this?

 

[Mogwai]

Russell Wilson is impressive as hell. This shouldn't surprise anyone. In fact, I think he'll beat out Flynn. Maybe not this year, but soon. A couple inches taller and he'd have been in discussion for the top of the draft.