Did you all notice... They mixed up the snap count

[finomenal]

Apologize mudda suckas.

Every team in the NFL does it....

Everyone needs to stop listening to Omar...the guy is the biggest poser out of all the beat writers and somehow has his reader convinced this is an issue.

Everyone knows what Brady's Alpha and Manning's Omaha calls mean. It's not really a big deal. How about the O-line just ****ing block so we don't have to worry about trivialities like this.

honestly tell this go/go go thing to someone who doesnt watch dolphin games just nfl around the league or something.
It sounds too stupid to be real

Rodgers was doing the same thing. Although it sounds like a big deal I can't see how it is. It is entirely unbelievable that all the staff and players would allow something that caused a problem like people here suggest.

How does the defense have an edge? He snaps the ball immediately after his cadence so they'd have .5 second to take their body's momentum one way or the other.

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All false. Good luck doing all of those things in half a second. It would be one thing if Tannehill snapped the ball 10 seconds after his cadence.

This was a Happy Hour debate on South Beach as well. The Go or Go Go for a run is the snap count. The ball comes out of Pouncey's hand on one of the two words, Hut or Hut Hut used to be used. In that fraction of a second, with the speed of sound, the OL is moving back for a pass or, forward for a run.

I re-watched the first quarter on this, and saw no effect whatsoever on what the D was doing. Maybe Mr Bill is not one to take advantage of this. :) I also saw RT Go with a Go, and throw a screen for a nice gain.

Hard for me to believe that the LB's and CB's are gonna change anything in what they hear or may not hear due to crowd noise. Imagine a defender trying to explain to Mr Bill that he blew a coverage because he thought he heard a second Go?

IMO, it's a non-factor.

Because it's not.

It hasn't had any negative effect on Miami, you dont see any defensive players jumping the snap count when he says "go" or "go go", it's just like saying "hut" or "hut hut" or any other term qbs use..

I honestly don't know for sure if this gives the defense an edge or not, though I am going to say probably not.

By the time he says "Go" or "Go Go" the ball has already been snapped and the play is happening. If you are a cornerback that isn't moving and waiting to hear the call, by the time it registers you are probably out of position. A corner is going to be doing a job that was assigned before the "Go" or "Go Go" comes out of Ryan's mouth. Same with linebackers and defensive lineman, if they are waiting to hear what Ryan is going to say they are going to be out of position once they realize it is a run or pass. They have to be doing their job right as the ball is snapped, not a half second or full second later.

@ people still thinking this is a "bad thing"

For all the people who think this is a problem point out specific plays where it effects the play..

Anybody can guess where it happens, but there is no proof it negatively effects the offense.

I'll be waiting.

 

[GoonBoss]

Yeah well we didn't have our overrated gun running center playing imagine that? Although I heard that when he returns the new snap counts will be Glock 2-3, Ar/1-5, AK/4-7, Glock 1-9 should be interesting and keep defenses honest.

in fairness, I'd hope that mentioning guns would not make grown men quake
in their boots. Guns are inanimate. They can't hurt you unless you pick them
up, like a hammer, or saw....and then misuse them.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

The Go/Go-Go thing is overrated. As Keith Sims pointed out recently, Dan Marino's snap count was 'on two' 99% of the time.

Seriously, go back and watch games where Pouncey was under center. Look at how he snaps the ball. Then look at how Garner snaps the ball. Tell me if you see a difference.

 

[Missouri-FINFAN]

Only took 25 games

love that pic. ( . ) ( . )

 

[roy_miami]

It's so obvious that this crap had an effect on defenses being able to cheat up and drop back. This game made it even more obvious that teams were doing it, and I don't consider myself some football mastermind. I'm just a guy who loves football and sees things.

SCall13 and I will accept all of your apologies now. You know who you are.

SCall13

I was gonna leave this alone because I'm sick of debating this with people that clearly have no idea what they're talking about but I didn't notice them switch anything up more than usual watching the game live so I just re-watched all the offensive plays and every "go" was pass and every "go-go" was run except one, which ended up being one of Jerry's false starts. So if anybody should apologize it's you. The only thing they did out of the ordinary was use a lot more dummy snap counts. Maybe its time to admit Philbin knows more than you do about football and snap counts?

Another thing I noticed during this exercise is our offense was usually lined up and ready to go with 15-20 seconds on the play clock, thats excellent and something most of the top flight offenses generally do.

I haven't looked into it myself but the Pouncey tipping off defenses theory is at least credible, though my guess is the offsides were due to the fact that SD is just not a very good disciplined team, at least not on defense.

 

[finfan54]

well, teams are gunning for the sack totals...so they pay the price gettin all jumpy early, then they use dummy snaps, then they actually snap it towards the end of game when guys are more tired.

But ultimately, its a game of matchups. SD was a nice matchup for us.

I would like to see more TE usage this weekend.

 

[zach attach]

Ross is a fan and watches the games. Maybe he stepped in and said, "If I can see it, everyone can see it. Knock that s#@t off!"

 

[laxcoach]

they varied the cadence finally, and that is great.

Now they need to switch up from go=pass gogo=run. I think defensive lineman and linebackers are keying how they attack based on it.

 

[slk018]

The Go/Go-Go thing is overrated. As Keith Sims pointed out recently, Dan Marino's snap count was 'on two' 99% of the time.

Seriously, go back and watch games where Pouncey was under center. Look at how he snaps the ball. Then look at how Garner snaps the ball. Tell me if you see a difference.

Yes but it wasn't always on 2 for a run and 1 for a pass

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Yes but it wasn't always on 2 for a run and 1 for a pass

Not like anyone respected our running game under Marino, anyway.

 

[finomenal]

I was gonna leave this alone because I'm sick of debating this with people that clearly have no idea what they're talking about but I didn't notice them switch anything up more than usual watching the game live so I just re-watched all the offensive plays and every "go" was pass and every "go-go" was run except one, which ended up being one of Jerry's false starts. So if anybody should apologize it's you. The only thing they did out of the ordinary was use a lot more dummy snap counts. Maybe its time to admit Philbin knows more than you do about football and snap counts?

Another thing I noticed during this exercise is our offense was usually lined up and ready to go with 15-20 seconds on the play clock, thats excellent and something most of the top flight offenses generally do.

I haven't looked into it myself but the Pouncey tipping off defenses theory is at least credible, though my guess is the offsides were due to the fact that SD is just not a very good disciplined team, at least not on defense.

What are you talking about? Tannehill switched it up a few times after saying "go-go" and not snapping the ball right after. That drew the defenders offsides because they were crossing the line.

 

[TarHeelFinFan]

What really bothers me is that the coaching staff and the entire team defended the Go - No Go cadence prior to this game.. On several occasions they ALL stated it wasnt a problem and totally blew off our crys for change... Then for what ever reason, the do make a change in the SD game and it made a real impact.

There is nothing worse than a dumbazz in power insisting his way is right, when its not...

They aren't going to come out and say "yes, this is a weakness that can be exploited by our opponents." Perhaps they were aware of the problem but with the personnel on the line they weren't capable of implementing anything to mix it up. Perhaps the staff thought the positives those personnel brought outweighed this weakness they created. With 3 new players on the line perhaps the new guys are better at that aspect of the game but lack the physical tools of the players they are replacing, but their skill at recognizing varied snap counts allowed us to finally make a change.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

What are you talking about? Tannehill switched it up a few times after saying "go-go" and not snapping the ball right after. That drew the defenders offsides because they were crossing the line.

I'm serious... go back and look at highlights/clips from the previous games and compare them to this one. Don't listen to the cadence, just watch the way the ball is snapped. The movements on the line before the snap. Tell me if you notice a difference.

I noticed after someone pointed it out to me and I started paying attention.

 

[whizafriz]

I think the designs of the plays are more to blame for the offense sputtering. Tannehill doesn't have a proper O-line to be a pure-pocket passer. He doesn't have the experience yet to play that style effectively anyways.
Bootlegs that give him an edge are rare. Play Action is also rare. His main target Wallace is told to do ineffective routes with low-% catches. The other weapons he Would have had to spread around the ball and open up the field, Keller and Gibson, are missing.
Sims and Egnew rarely make consistent appearances to give Tannehill some more passing attack help, they're usually just relegated to blocking. It's all on Clay, who's good in his own right, but not a world-beater.

Not trying to defend Go, Go-Go. It's stupid as all hell. But there's too many other issues to think that it's the root of the problem.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I think the designs of the plays are more to blame for the offense sputtering. Tannehill doesn't have a proper O-line to be a pure-pocket passer. He doesn't have the experience yet to play that style effectively anyways.

Good news: Ryan Tannehill is being developed as a quarterback. This is all about making him a better QB down the road for the Miami Dolphins.

Bad news: We aren't down the road yet.

On one hand, this is why I like Joe Philbin and want him to stay as the Miami coach. He is trying to set us up for long-term success here, IMO. On the other hand, he needs to win now if he wants to stick around to reap the spoils of this program.