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Dion Jordan - Jadeveon clowney combine comparison

j-off-her-doll said:
Both Barr and Jordan played in the Pac 10/12. In both of his seasons on defense, Barr amassed 20 or more TFL. Jordan's highest total? 13. In his two seasons on defense, Barr totaled 13.5 and 10 sacks. Jordan's highest total? 7.5. In those two seasons Barr totaled 10 forced fumbles (4 in 2012, 6 in 2013). During his career at Oregon, Jordan forced a total of 4 fumbles.

It's really not close.
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I get that stats look more in Barr's favor, but as we all know stats don't mean a damn thing. Barr got dominated by Stanford's last! completely dominated. Also Since Oregon usually ran up the score on people there starters sat out more minutes.

One more thing, Jordan dropped into coverage a lot more than Barr did as well.

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j-off-her-doll said:
Clowney's lack of effort is overblown, and he's clearly in a different tier than Jordan. Let's not be silly, people.
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Here in SC it's really not. He was criticized daily for it and fans and media alike bashed him all year for him going half assed during games. He could never answer the hard questions after a pretty lackluster performance.
 
z926538 said:
Freaks get on the field. Jordan couldn't crack the starting lineup. By process of logic Jordan can not be a freak.

And we are not "lucky" to have wasted the number three pick in the draft on a player who can't get on the field in a year when we were one win away from making the playoffs.
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this is laughable. one he was injured, two Vernon had a great year, three wake was on the other side, 4 coyle is an idiot.
 
this whole things dumb...ones a every down 43 de the others not right now...dumb

that said i will take jordans work ethic any day over clowneys...but again this whole thing is dumb...
 
I say cut Wheeler and put Jordan in his spot. Use him as a Hybrid DE/LB like T Suggs. This year he is coming in not hurt, and hopefully has put on some mass in the weight room. I don't see giving up on a player after drafting him the previous year. This isn't Madden on 360.
 
Phinatic8u said:
I get that stats look more in Barr's favor, but as we all know stats don't mean a damn thing. Barr got dominated by Stanford's last! completely dominated. Also Since Oregon usually ran up the score on people there starters sat out more minutes.

One more thing, Jordan dropped into coverage a lot more than Barr did as well.

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Here in SC it's really not. He was criticized daily for it and fans and media alike bashed him all year for him going half assed during games. He could never answer the hard questions after a pretty lackluster performance.
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Stats are a measure of production. They're part of the story. Barr is so much more productive than Jordan, because Barr is the MUCH more physical player and has much better instincts. There is a play in that Stanford game, where Barr drives a double team into the face of the QB forcing an incomplete pass. He's a better pass rusher and run defender than Jordan, and when he's near the ball, he has bad intentions. Barr makes Jordan look like he's playing 2-hand touch. If Jordan doesn't beat you with speed, he's got nothing. If Barr doesn't beat you with speed, he can throw you to the side or drive you back into the QB. Barr by the way is the more explosive athlete - as his 10 yard split indicates (1.56 to Jordan's 1.61). Jordan is better in coverage. It's his best trait.

As far as Clowney, I don't care about local gossip. I've seen him play. Teams altered their entire game plans to account for Clowney, and that's the primary cause for his dip in production. I'm not saying he got the world's greatest motor, but it's not any worse than Jordan's, and no team ever schemed for Jordan the way they did each and every week for Clowney.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Stats are a measure of production. They're part of the story. Barr is so much more productive than Jordan, because Barr is the MUCH more physical player and has much better instincts. There is a play in that Stanford game, where Barr drives a double team into the face of the QB forcing an incomplete pass. He's a better pass rusher and run defender than Jordan, and when he's near the ball, he has bad intentions. Barr makes Jordan look like he's playing 2-hand touch. If Jordan doesn't beat you with speed, he's got nothing. If Barr doesn't beat you with speed, he can throw you to the side or drive you back into the QB. Barr by the way is the more explosive athlete - as his 10 yard split indicates (1.56 to Jordan's 1.61). Jordan is better in coverage. It's his best trait.

As far as Clowney, I don't care about local gossip. I've seen him play. Teams altered their entire game plans to account for Clowney, and that's the primary cause for his dip in production. I'm not saying he got the world's greatest motor, but it's not any worse than Jordan's, and no team ever schemed for Jordan the way they did each and every week for Clowney.
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clowney will be a much better NFL player than Jordan.
 
Next season will show us what we really have with Jordan. He missed out on a lot of offseason work because of his injury last year.

If he can get stronger, and develop an inside counter move he will really be special. He flashed a lot early on. Later in the season he seemed to disappear.

Right now he is a one trick pony, handicapped by being slow to react to the snap. His potential is huge though. With a full offseason in the system he should improve considerably.

I'm still pretty high on him and Taylor. Haven't written Davis off either.
 
I think Jordans best position is OLB. I would cut our last year FA OLB after June 1st and take the hit and play Jordan there. He has had time to get bigger and stronger. If Not I would consider trading him for a Robinson or Jake MAthews or one of the top DTs in the draft (can be a lower first round ick) if we dont cut that OLB Ireland brought in last year that cant play.
 
If Dion is elite he can make plays in any defense, he maybe better in one D over another but he has to have better production than he did last year....in his defense, last yr he was injured most of the summer which limited his learning curve and it took him a long time to get meaningful snaps. We have to much invested in him to give up on him in one year unless its a high draft pick, IMO his only move to the QB was step to the right then to the left then look for the QB all the while not engaging the OL then break for the QB, if the secondary had tight coverage and the QB held the ball to long he had a chance, he didn't have any move to get through the OL and he never took them on, he has to be stronger and not bounce off of QB when he does get there....
 
dlockz said:
clowney will be a much better NFL player than Jordan.
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One has played 1 season with a shoulder injury and we don't even know on which team the other one is going to end up... But Dlockz says the one who will not be in Miami will have a better NFL career... Im shoked I tell ya... SHOCKED!
 
NBP81 said:
One has played 1 season with a shoulder injury and we don't even know on which team the other one is going to end up... But Dlockz says the one who will not be in Miami will have a better NFL career... Im shoked I tell ya... SHOCKED!
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no one outside Miami would say that Jordan is a better prospect than Clowney. Lets give the shoulder injury the damn funeral he suffered it during college football season and and labrum surgery has you limited for about 4 damn months. If his injury was affecting him at all do you really think Miami would have played him on special teams and risk injury of their 1st round pick. So no he did not play one season with a shoulder injury. Jordan was just another player at Oregon, Clowney was a force when he wanted to be and as a sophomore was the best defensive player in the country. He wanted to go pro but the idiotic NFL rule does not allow it so he didn't risk his big payday and lose money like his teammate Lattimore did.
 
dlockz said:
no one outside Miami would say that Jordan is a better prospect than Clowney. Lets give the shoulder injury the damn funeral he suffered it during college football season and and labrum surgery has you limited for about 4 damn months. If his injury was affecting him at all do you really think Miami would have played him on special teams and risk injury of their 1st round pick. So no he did not play one season with a shoulder injury. Jordan was just another player at Oregon, Clowney was a force when he wanted to be and as a sophomore was the best defensive player in the country. He wanted to go pro but the idiotic NFL rule does not allow it so he didn't risk his big payday and lose money like his teammate Lattimore did.
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Hey I don't really follow college football you very well might be right, its just funny how you very rarely compare our players favorably with other teams players... Cant fault you for that as being on the negative side these days is +EV prediction wise... But hey you seem to like Tannehill , so all is not lost...
 
NBP81 said:
Hey I don't really follow college football you very well might be right, its just funny how you very rarely compare our players favorably with other teams players... Cant fault you for that as being on the negative side these days is +EV prediction wise... But hey you seem to like Tannehill , so all is not lost...
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Well that happens when u have Ireland drafting for u for six years lol.
 
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