Burrow hasn't lead his team to a SB win. Going to a SB and losing is not an accomplishment otherwise I'm sure the Bills and their fans are really content. They have as many SB wins as they did with Marvin Lewis. The Bengals need to put a better team around him or he's going to be ringless like every other Bengal QB.
Andy Reid turned that franchise around or at least deserves as much credit as Mahomes. He drafted and molded Mahomes and was going to the playoffs with Alex Smith before Mahomes got there.
The defense won the Broncos that SB. Peyton was toast. Funny enough Manning was labeled as a guy who couldn't win the big game. Couldn't beat Florida, couldn't win in the playoffs, classic choke artist. I remember when he lost 41-0 vs the Jets in the playoffs. Manning the choke artist, they said he's not good enough to win, they said he can't play off-script. Didnt win his first playoff game until age 27.
Newton 10 years with the Panthers and 4 playoff trips and 3-4 in the playoffs. Didnt win his 1st playoff game until year 4 of his career. The year they went to the SB with Newton's they had a top 10 defense and top 2 run game. He had 1 single magical elite season.
Wilson was not the reason for Seattle's success they had an all-time great defense which carried the team to a SB win. You know the defense that held the Broncos all-time great offense lead by Manning to just 8 points. Without a top 5 defense? Wilson has 1 playoff win to his name. Pete Carrol turned the Seahawks around. Carrol at least has made it to the playoffs without Wilson while Wilson hasn't done diddly squat without Carroll, that defense , and run game.
Matt Ryan made the playoffs 6 times in 14 years as a Falcon record (4-6). For reference Michael Vick in 6 years with the Falcons has half as many playoff wins as Ryan in 14 years with the Falcons. Ryan also didn't win his 1st playoff game until age 27 and is part of the biggest choke job in NFL history.
Brees didn't win his 1st playoff game until age 27. 9-9 playoff record missed the playoff 6 times during his prime. On a better team, he has at least 1-2 more SB appearances.
Getting a premier QB is just one piece of the puzzle. Maybe the most important piece but if you don't build the team around him then all you do is end up with frustration and disappointment. See Dan Marino.
We clearly have different definitions of accomplishments. A win in the NFL is an accomplishment. A playoff win is a major accomplishment and a Super Bowl appearance is damn near a once in a 20 year feat (maybe more?)
You're simping waaaayy too hard for Tua.
You've also missed the point entirely I was trying to make completely.
TLDR; Bring in an elite QB and your team will (most likely) have major success. It's not rocket science to see that throughout the history of this league.
Getting Burrow changed that team night and day.
They were 2-14 the year before they got him He changed the trajectory of that franchise. You're nuts to think otherwise. SB loss and AFC Championship game in back to back years.
Newton is by no means the best option I brought but hey, like you said, he had a magical season and took a 2-14 team to 12-4 in 3 years and 15-1 (!!) in 5 years. That's incredible.
I did say Peyton's last year he wasn't good. His 2nd year was arguably the greatest QB performance all time. He changed that team.
Wilson played really well in the Super Bowls. He's clearly a major part of that team's Super Bowl victory. To say otherwise, is to be ignorant. They were 7-9 the year before he started. His first year as a starter, they were 11-5, 2nd year 13-3 and won a SB. Carroll had already been there for 2 years with no success. Nice try though. He got his QB and they won. They also had Hasselback who was pretty damn good in Carroll's first 2 years.
Matt Ryan went to the Super Bowl and was up 28-3. Should've won one. He changed that franchise. They were 4-12 the year before they drafted him.
Saints were 3-13 the year before they got Brees.
I can go on and on. Great QBs change their teams. They win big games. Winning a super bowl is nearly impossible but winning a playoff game or two shouldn't be too hard for a supposed top-tier QB. Tua is not capable of doing that.
