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Do the Miami Dolphins have enough weapons on offense????

I agree with you. We all know the team needs offensive linemen, but I think it's a misconception that you have to get that player in R1. This draft is setup for Miami's success. There are offensive linemen to be had in the 2nd-4th or even 5th rounds. The wide receivers at the top are talented with nice depth. Tight end is questionable beyond Ebron and Amaro so if the team wants an upgrade there they will probably have to go with Amaro in R1 (Ebron should be long gone by pick 19).

I'm a big fan of Brandin Cook at wr, but he's not the big guy to complement Wallace. Would be intriguing to see Cook in the slot (Gibson is okay there) with Wallace and Hartline. As an opposing defense accounting for that type of speed would be very tough. Cook also knows how to run routes, is seemingly always open and can go up and adjust to the ball much like Steve Smith of Carolina.

Anyway, I think a better fit might be Jordan Matthews who is a likely late first rounder or early second. At this point, I think he is very underrated. The Dolphins could trade down, get Matthews in late R1 and get another 2nd. That could net the team an early draft something like this:

1. Jordan Matthews WR (in a trade down)
2. Billy Turner OT (I really like this guy)
2. Antonio Richardson OT
3. Jeremy Hill (has some character issues, but I think he's the best back in the draft)

Richardson and Turner could battle for RT with the "loser" playing inside at either RG or LG giving Miami a very athletic line. The 4th-7th rounds could be used to find linebackers, some offensive line depth and maybe a project tight end.
 
NCFINFAN13 said:
I'm in NC. I've seen the kid play. If he's available and we pass on him - especially for a lineman, it would be a huge mistake. We have other TE's that need to learn to block.
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Being a Cane fan and tuning in to the ACC I've also watched him. He seems to make the occasional spectacular catch yet drops the routine ones which was confirmed again during his pro day workout. Also, his blocking is and should be an issue.
 
No way. All of last year was basically a demonstration that our offense isn't good enough.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I agree with you. We all know the team needs offensive linemen, but I think it's a misconception that you have to get that player in R1. This draft is setup for Miami's success. There are offensive linemen to be had in the 2nd-4th or even 5th rounds. The wide receivers at the top are talented with nice depth. Tight end is questionable beyond Ebron and Amaro so if the team wants an upgrade there they will probably have to go with Amaro in R1 (Ebron should be long gone by pick 19).

I'm a big fan of Brandin Cook at wr, but he's not the big guy to complement Wallace. Would be intriguing to see Cook in the slot (Gibson is okay there) with Wallace and Hartline. As an opposing defense accounting for that type of speed would be very tough. Cook also knows how to run routes, is seemingly always open and can go up and adjust to the ball much like Steve Smith of Carolina.

Anyway, I think a better fit might be Jordan Matthews who is a likely late first rounder or early second. At this point, I think he is very underrated. The Dolphins could trade down, get Matthews in late R1 and get another 2nd. That could net the team an early draft something like this:

1. Jordan Matthews WR (in a trade down)
2. Billy Turner OT (I really like this guy)
2. Antonio Richardson OT
3. Jeremy Hill (has some character issues, but I think he's the best back in the draft)

Richardson and Turner could battle for RT with the "loser" playing inside at either RG or LG giving Miami a very athletic line. The 4th-7th rounds could be used to find linebackers, some offensive line depth and maybe a project tight end.
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Personally I don't think Hickey is going to roll the dice and hope that there are quality linemen later i draft. I think he has targets in 1st and possibly 2nd round for linemen. Since that is biggest area of need. There will be a fine line at that point anyways. Between best player and the needs. And if your team is hurting in one area it doesnt take a rocket scientist ti figure out what we are taking. Hickey has been smart so far and I don't see him deviating from that.
 
No we don't..not only do we not have enough we don't know how to use what we have...we have no weapons in the run game are we just going to pass and hope tannehill connects on the deep passes? Or hope gibson is a weapon in the check down game? Charles clay is a big weapon but I doubt we are even using him enough. So no you can never have enough. Would love to have another big weapon at wr. a big guy that can go and get the ball aggressively..and a rb that has some moves that can make people miss and break tackles...
 
This offense is not based on a WR1, RB1 and TE1 philosophy that has been en vogue for decades. The "Philbin WR" was discussed last year when we were overhauling the WR corps.

Philbin's offensively philosophy is about creating multiple options on each play based on mismatches. Size, speed and route execution are a more exact science in this offense.

Gibson was acquired to replace Bess based on his size and flexibility he offers in position. Gibson was particularly questioned because of Bess' unexpected trade. But discussion and explanation illustrated how Gibson's size is desired in the slot by Philbin due to the secondary read it gives Tannehill on the same route if the initial slant isn't open. The secondary read happens immediately after the slant as a Gibson can break to the outside and take advantage of an overly aggressive corner breaking on the slant. The taller Gibson allows Tannehill to drop the ball in over the corner as Gibson turns up and out. He did not have this secondary read with Bess due to his height. The ball would still be interceptable if the corner recovers or is slightly taller than the shorter Bess.

Philbin picked this WR corp. If you go back and look at Green Bay's top receiving threat for each game over the past 5 years, you will see the name changes from week to week. This offense looks for the mismatch each week and exploits it.

Consistently expecting Wallace to lead us in Recs and Yards is not a good analysis of how Wallace fits in this offense. Look at James Jones, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson and Donald Driver's stats over different seasons. Each have led the Packers in offensive categories in different weeks. Driver may have been regarded as WR1 by most people, but in their offense he really doesn't have WR1 duties.

If you remember when "The Greatest Show On Turf" was running wild in St. Louis, they played the Dolphins when we had Surtain and Madison. During an interview, Mike Martz was asked how his offense would produce against Miami's vaunted Defense and CB tandem. Martz's replay was "their CB1 may be better than our WR1 and CB2 better than our WR2, but our WR3 is better than their CB3 and WR4 is better than their CB4". While Martz didn't have to rely on that thinking often, Philbin's offensive philosophy is based on it.

This offense is dependent on RT finding the mismatch, making the correct read and placing the ball in tight windows. He can't do that if our OLine allows 58 sacks in a year and he has no time to progress through his reads.

We have plenty of offensive weapons. What we don't have is an OLine that can give him the time to execute the offense. Fix the OLine and everything falls into place.
 
I sure hope we not only take a WR in the first round but move up to get Evans, or Watkins. Other then Tackles this draft is week in offensive linemen. Guards are grading out as a (C) in this years draft with the Top Guard grading out at around 80 and drops fast from there. Since we have a LT now no need to get one with the first pick. Sure hope we don't take a Guard just because we need one. We need WR weapons and this is the year to get one. Same with RB, it is not a deep draft in RB either.
 
Zildjianz said:
I sure hope we not only take a WR in the first round but move up to get Evans, or Watkins. Other then Tackles this draft is week in offensive linemen. Guards are grading out as a (C) in this years draft with the Top Guard grading out at around 80 and drops fast from there. Since we have a LT now no need to get one with the first pick. Sure hope we don't take a Guard just because we need one. We need WR weapons and this is the year to get one. Same with RB, it is not a deep draft in RB either.
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And how would this be done?
 
phinfan40353 said:
This offense is not based on a WR1, RB1 and TE1 philosophy that has been en vogue for decades. The "Philbin WR" was discussed last year when we were overhauling the WR corps.

Philbin's offensively philosophy is about creating multiple options on each play based on mismatches. Size, speed and route execution are a more exact science in this offense.

Gibson was acquired to replace Bess based on his size and flexibility he offers in position. Gibson was particularly questioned because of Bess' unexpected trade. But discussion and explanation illustrated how Gibson's size is desired in the slot by Philbin due to the secondary read it gives Tannehill on the same route if the initial slant isn't open. The secondary read happens immediately after the slant as a Gibson can break to the outside and take advantage of an overly aggressive corner breaking on the slant. The taller Gibson allows Tannehill to drop the ball in over the corner as Gibson turns up and out. He did not have this secondary read with Bess due to his height. The ball would still be interceptable if the corner recovers or is slightly taller than the shorter Bess.

Philbin picked this WR corp. If you go back and look at Green Bay's top receiving threat for each game over the past 5 years, you will see the name changes from week to week. This offense looks for the mismatch each week and exploits it.

Consistently expecting Wallace to lead us in Recs and Yards is not a good analysis of how Wallace fits in this offense. Look at James Jones, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson and Donald Driver's stats over different seasons. Each have led the Packers in offensive categories in different weeks. Driver may have been regarded as WR1 by most people, but in their offense he really doesn't have WR1 duties.

If you remember when "The Greatest Show On Turf" was running wild in St. Louis, they played the Dolphins when we had Surtain and Madison. During an interview, Mike Martz was asked how his offense would produce against Miami's vaunted Defense and CB tandem. Martz's replay was "their CB1 may be better than our WR1 and CB2 better than our WR2, but our WR3 is better than their CB3 and WR4 is better than their CB4". While Martz didn't have to rely on that thinking often, Philbin's offensive philosophy is based on it.

This offense is dependent on RT finding the mismatch, making the correct read and placing the ball in tight windows. He can't do that if our OLine allows 58 sacks in a year and he has no time to progress through his reads.

We have plenty of offensive weapons. What we don't have is an OLine that can give him the time to execute the offense. Fix the OLine and everything falls into place.
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What a great post.

But you know, it just exposes how we don't have an identity on offense and we don't have the fast-paced, no huddle, explosive offensive attack they envisioned. And I'm not sure if it's because we're still in transition for the WCO or if the coaches and gm just got off track and thought they would install some kind of hybrid scheme, or what.

With Tannehill last year, I didn't see quick decisions or getting the ball out very fast. In fact, he seemed faster and more mobile the year before. He threw away the ball a lot that first year, and last year he seemed to want to hang in the pocket, trying to get the ball to Wallace, or find another open receiver. That translated to more completions and more yardage. But did it look like a WCO?

Wallace is great, but does he even fit the scheme? Hartline is ok, but do we see any YAC? Gibson, as far as I can see, was perfect.

TE, it seems that Clay is the only one who has stepped up. At one point, Philbin would talk about finding a Gronk or Hernandez out there. Is he still looking? He hand-picked Egnew, as far as I'm concerned, and he didn't work out. What are they doing with that position?

RB? Miller is another Philbin pick. But he wasn't very versatile, or very physical. Are they looking for more of an all-purpose back who can catch, run, pass-block? Or do they feel if they just get the zone blocking to work on the O line that Miller will find the holes? We know this offense is not being built for a power running game, and that they want short passes even on short yardage situations sometimes, but we could not run the ball at all last year, and that was a problem.

Some of these college players on day one that we're salivating over, our coaches may not even want, because they're satisfied with who they have on the roster or they're looking at a different position. We may end up with a great player by accident, just because the draft is deep. We'll see. It will be interesting to me what Hickey does, because he's a BPA guy, and he's trying to draft for Philbin, who is about finding players who fit his scheme, primarily.
 
Sons of Shula said:
Being a Cane fan and tuning in to the ACC I've also watched him. He seems to make the occasional spectacular catch yet drops the routine ones which was confirmed again during his pro day workout. Also, his blocking is and should be an issue.
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He does have the dropsies, there's no doubt ... his drop rate is about 10% last I knew. But him catching 9 out of 10 and being a threat with the ball, even if he's not an accomplished blocker at this time, is head and shoulders above Egghead and Simms and will compliment Clay to the point of putting defenses in a bind on who to cover.
 
Zildjianz said:
I sure hope we not only take a WR in the first round but move up to get Evans, or Watkins. Other then Tackles this draft is week in offensive linemen. Guards are grading out as a (C) in this years draft with the Top Guard grading out at around 80 and drops fast from there. Since we have a LT now no need to get one with the first pick. Sure hope we don't take a Guard just because we need one. We need WR weapons and this is the year to get one. Same with RB, it is not a deep draft in RB either.
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What the hell is with you giving mostly thumbs down to everyone in here? We're in agreement they don't have enough weapons.
 
It didn't look like the WCO at all, Sherman was calling college plays for Tannehill, he didn't have a RB that he could rely on, that's why IMO they will re-visit Knowshon Moreno.
 
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