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The line of the night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dolphins Head Coach Nick Saban is not expected to hand out game balls in the locker room for fear of the game balls being fumbled. The Dolphins lost seven fumbles of eight overall prior to leaving the field.
 
Oh and like I said I do not know whether this should start teh controversy again, but it does give me hope that AJ can develop. Forget YPA, I am looking at the fact he looked much more comfortable under pressure and didnt panic, showed some poise and more confidence. Pitts second team front seven are better than some 1st.
 
Dudeman said:
Christ...................I'm not saying that Gus played well at all. His numbers would have been better had some drops been caught, but thats besides the point. He played a tough D.

Next week, they play the Tampa D, who is equally as tough. Once again, I think the QBs will drops some turds on the field
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As did Feeley with Chicago. He also had drops as well.

It's simple. Niether QB is the problem which is what I have been saying all along. Both are playing equally IMO. However, the problem is simply our O-line and protection.

Short sweet and simple.

It's funny how Frerotte looks horrible as well when he has no protection and is hurried all game huh? Looks like it might not just be a Feeley thing after all
 
Dudeman said:
get some glasses man....I never posted about the lack of O-line and its effect on Feeley. It would've been exactly the same story had Feeley started tonight, neither would've played well.
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So then by your own admission right now Frerotte is not clearly better then Feeley. Seeing as how they would have yielded the same results?

Funny I could have sworn you argued with me before about how much better Frerotte was and how bad Feeley was.
 
byroan said:
Feeley was easily the better QB tonight. He got rid of the ball quickly. Who cares if they're short passes? Why didn't Gus do short passes? Gus looked pathetic tonight.
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Gus would have had alot better stats if the recievers could catch today. lets go over this mcmichael dropped 3 passes, booker dropped 2, chambers dropped the one to begin the game. that is another 6 completions. that makes him move up to 13 for 18 for probably around 150 yards because the one to chambers was a deep pass and the one to booker was deep. he moved around in the pocket good and created time for himself. the one fumble was his fault and it shouldnt have happened but everyone makes some mistakes but the other fumble was on the center just as much as it was on him, it was a bad snap. but the receivers made him look alot worst then he acctually was. He made alot of nice passes today.
 
GRYPHONK said:
As did Feeley with Chicago. He also had drops as well.

It's simple. Niether QB is the problem which is what I have been saying all along. Both are playing equally IMO. However, the problem is simply our O-line and protection.

Short sweet and simple.

It's funny how Frerotte looks horrible as well when he has no protection and is hurried all game huh? Looks like it might not just be a Feeley thing after all
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LOL The "experts" will never admit that it wasnt all Felleys fault, they post hypotheticals and call them facts. Liek AJ would have played just as bad as Gus had he started. Yes it is quite possible, but not fact. Just saying it doesnt make it true. AJ not leading a scoring drive? Not for lack of effort. He had a couple that were ended by fumbles drops etc.

Not looking at stats? yeah only because tonites dont suppport the argument.

I am not saying AJ is going to be great, but I am loving the hypocrisy.
 
rickeyrunsover said:
Oh and like I said I do not know whether this should start teh controversy again, but it does give me hope that AJ can develop. Forget YPA, I am looking at the fact he looked much more comfortable under pressure and didnt panic, showed some poise and more confidence. Pitts second team front seven are better than some 1st.
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Exactly.

I think this game should serve as a lesson to all the Gusketeers.

I am not saying we need to flip flop QB'S. Not at all. As of now Frerotte is the starter.

However, some of your alls beloved Frerotte looked horrible tonight. Just like he did last week.

It's time to stop making excuses for on and bashing the other.

They have the same O-line. Frerotte has clearly had better WR'S to work with. Yet they have yielded almost the same results.

Feeley has an INT while Frerotte has 2 lost fumbles 1 being returned for a TD.

They both are getting the same bad breaks.

It is obvious by now that Frerotte is not playing better then Feeley.

Niether will be successful until we get a better line. It is also plain as day that when they both have time Feeley is 10x more accurate.
 
adamprez2003 said:
At least DUDEMAN is here. Props Dudeman. Where is Rafael and his "feel" argument
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I dont needs props....I would've been here if both of them sucked ballbag. To this point, neither has played better than the other, and I have the sinking feeling that if AJ starts next week, that it'll just be a rehash of this game with the first teamers.


I absolutely cannot believe that we have not got somebody better. We are in a god-awful unenviable position, and thats just downright pathetic.
 
Dolphins84 said:
Gus would have had alot better stats if the recievers could catch today. lets go over this mcmichael dropped 3 passes, booker dropped 2, chambers dropped the one to begin the game. that is another 6 completions. that makes him move up to 13 for 18 for probably around 150 yards because the one to chambers was a deep pass and the one to booker was deep. he moved around in the pocket good and created time for himself. the one fumble was his fault and it shouldnt have happened but everyone makes some mistakes but the other fumble was on the center just as much as it was on him, it was a bad snap. but the receivers made him look alot worst then he acctually was. He made alot of nice passes today.
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LOL 1 from McMike is on Gus it was behind him, CC didnt drop that ball it was well underthrown and he had to come back and make a play on it, it was low. AJ would have had better stats as well had he not had drops.

Point being use teh same criteria when you evaluate or you lose credibility.
 
rickeyrunsover said:
LOL The "experts" will never admit that it wasnt all Felleys fault, they post hypotheticals and call them facts. Liek AJ would have played just as bad as Gus had he started. Yes it is quite possible, but not fact. Just saying it doesnt make it true. AJ not leading a scoring drive? Not for lack of effort. He had a couple that were ended by fumbles drops etc.

Not looking at stats? yeah only because tonites dont suppport the argument.

I am not saying AJ is going to be great, but I am loving the hypocrisy.
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LOL whole heartidly agreed.

When Frerotte got his TD against Jax people say atleast he lead a scoring drive. Yet they denounce the fact that it was against 2nd stringers.

Yet Feeley puts in a better performance then anything Frerotte has done but people that supported Frerotte now say " well he did what he had to do" he wasn't spectacular.

They will come on here talking about McMichaels drops and all the bad blocking for Frerotte. But won't acknowledge the bad Oline play or the dropped passes for Feeley.

The hypocrisy is pathetic.

Yeah Feeley YPA was pathetic. It was dink and dunk.

Look at the stats people his YPA is better then Frerottes so far. Or atleast is very close
 
IMO this competition is far from over. Yes, Feeley was playing against second stringers, but he still threw the ball well. Yes, Feeley didn't make any long throws, but he still moved the ball downfield. And that to me is a sign he is getting smarter. Instead of forcing the ball downfield he is checking down and moving the ball slowly, but still moving it. Frerotte looked terrible tonight and I don't see how anyone could see it as anything but that. He had maybe one good pass the whole night. He may have had some drops, but those drops were barely catchable at best. IMO he has not looked good yet. Even in the first game when everyone was raving about him, he really didn't do much. One play he gets lucky that he is not sacked for a safety and just throws it up and Chambers makes a great play on a jump ball, and his TD was admittedly thrown to someone else and it slipped out of his hand. It could have easily been a INT in the red zone. I just don't think Frerotte has done nearly enough to win the job yet. And I am not an AJ supporter or a Gus supporter, just someone who is rooting for one of these guys to step up. I know AJ hasn't looked great either and I don't think he has done anything to gain an edge on Gus yet, but to say that this race is over would be a huge mistake.
 
GRYPHONK said:
Exactly.

I think this game should serve as a lesson to all the Gusketeers.

I am not saying we need to flip flop QB'S. Not at all. As of now Frerotte is the starter.

However, some of your alls beloved Frerotte looked horrible tonight. Just like he did last week.

It's time to stop making excuses for on and bashing the other.

They have the same O-line. Frerotte has clearly had better WR'S to work with. Yet they have yielded almost the same results.

Feeley has an INT while Frerotte has 2 lost fumbles 1 being returned for a TD.

They both are getting the same bad breaks.

It is obvious by now that Frerotte is not playing better then Feeley.

Niether will be successful until we get a better line. It is also plain as day that when they both have time Feeley is 10x more accurate.
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I think Saban might have to think about naming AJ the starter and not just for next week but for week 1 of the season. I think AJ earned it, he's outplayed Gus this preseason and he showed promise last year plus Gus is ancient with zero upside. If we're going to lose I'd rather do it with AJ and who knows the guy shows heart. He could've crumbled tonight and instead played well. Maybe he needs the world against him (last vs the Patriots) to play well. Give him the ball and see what he can do with it. What's the worst that could happen. We draft Leinart?
 
Dudeman said:
I dont needs props....I would've been here if both of them sucked ballbag. To this point, neither has played better than the other, and I have the sinking feeling that if AJ starts next week, that it'll just be a rehash of this game with the first teamers.


I absolutely cannot believe that we have not got somebody better. We are in a god-awful unenviable position, and thats just downright pathetic.
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I don't think we need a better QB. I think either one will be fine.

We just need to fix our dang protection and O-line issues
 
adamprez2003 said:
I think AJ earned it
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come on now......neither has earned it......you dont earn the starting QB job by struggling against Jax (both did), and then completing 16 passes for less than 100 yards. I would've said that about Gus too. Neither has stepped up, and neither deserves to be named the starter for Sept. 11th.....
 
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