Dolphins Before Daunte! C-pep not a Winner!

[Tropical Swarm]

Ok.. since you seem to think that it's only about the QB, let's take a look at Detroit while Joey was there:

2002: 3-10
2003: 5-11
2004: 6-10
2005: 4-7

Combined: 18-38

Oh yeah.. much better :shakeno:

yeah but the lions really really sucked.Daunte has always thrown a ton of pics at the worst time hes over rated Joey is under rated put Joey in and see what he can do if like he probly will Daunte plays like a ****** again sunday i hope not but my best friend and i watched Daunte at the begining of last year the vikings being his team and he just sucked fumble prone and makes totally stupid choices i say if were not atleast 3-3 after six games under Daunte trade him try and get a 3rd or a 5th round pick for him or maybe if thats the case trade Daunte and a 7th rounder for Jay Fiedler:wink:

 

[catapano]

I for one couldn't wait for the season to start. I had not been this optimistic since, well, since Marino. Miami was coming off a six game win streak. Saban adressed the team's weakest areas in the offseason. Saban added veteran depth. But most importantly Saban signed Daunte Culpepper. He was supposed to be the franchise QB we haven't had since "Dan the Man." Daunte came in as the 5th highest rated QB of all time. Higher career passer rating than Marino. And then there was his remarkable 2004 season. One of the greatest seasons ever by a QB. In fact, he had more total yards that season than any other QB in history breaking Dan's magical 1984 single season record. Daunte was reported to be well ahead of rehab and I kept reading reports about how good he looked in TC. I bought in to all the hype.

Everything was in place to challange NE for the division title and I actually had Super Bowl aspirations. Sure there were the occasional posts from disgruntled Viking fans that kept saying "Just wait. Daunte is not the QB you think he is. The stats lie. He makes poor decisions. He is not the 5th best QB of all-time like the ratings indicate. In fact, he is not even close to the top 5 QBs in the NFL right now. If it wasnt for #84 he would be a 2nd stringer at best right now." But you know what, I thought those posts were just from pissed-off Viking fans that were really loathing inside bc we "stole" Daunte for only a 2nd round pick.

Two games into the season I am saying WTF happened? This isn't the same QB who I used to see on ESPN throwing 60 yard bombs to #84 in Minnesota despite being double and sometimes triple covered. They looked like perfect passes. Uh oh...could those pissed-off, disgruntled, loathing Viking fans actually have been right. In fact, were they not really upset at all but snickering at us Dolphin fans?

So I decided to take a look at the numbers. No...not his personal stats. Those are impressive and have been posted many times on finheaven, but I wanted to see the stats that matter the most IMO...Wins and Losses. This is what I found for games Daunte has started:

2001 - 4 Wins 7 Losses
2002 - 6 Wins 10 Losses
2003 - 7 Wins 7 Losses (started the year 4-0)
2004 - 8 Wins 8 Losses (started the year 5-1) 1 Win 1 Loss (playoffs)
2005 - 2 Wins 5 Losses
2006 - 0 Wins 2 Losses

Total - 28 Wins 40 Losses

OUCH!!! Franchise QB??? Isn't a franchise QB supposed to be able to lead his team to the playoffs? Shouldn't a franchise QB have at least one season when he led his team to more wins than losses? I then took a look to see how he did against the NFC North (probably the worst division in football the 5 years Daunte was in Minnesota) and what I found was:

15 Wins 10 Losses against the NFC North (Chicago, GB, Detriot)
13 Wins 30 Losses against everyone else. What???

Crap!!! We don't play in the NFC North. So now, two games into having our supposedly new franchise QB start we are 0-2 including 0-2 in the AFC and 0-1 in our division. So in effect, we are more like 3 games out instead of 2 bc we won't be winning any tiebreakers at this point. Even worse is our supposedly new franchise QB has M & M (mechanical and mental) problems. Saban is asking for patience and saying Daunte is going to take time. Time for what? When healthy Daunte has not shown he can lead a team to a winning record.

So I am left with a few thoughts. I believe Miami has enough talent to make the playoffs, but I believe it will happen if Harrington leads us there and not Daunte. I believe we are still in need of finding a franchise QB. Unfortunately, I believe we didn't steal Daunte for a 2nd round pick. I believe the Vikings stole a 2nd round pick for Daunte.

I will wrap this up by saying I have been amazed at how many Daunte lovers there are out there. It appears to me a lot of people are choosing Daunte before the Dolphins. I enjoy being right, but sometimes I would rather be wrong and this is one of those times. I hope...no I pray that some of you Daunte lovers out there will be able to bring up this post and throw it in my face for how stupid and crazy I was to post this. As for me, my loyalty is with the team and until Daunte shows he is worthy of playing I say "Dolphins before Daunte." It is time to bench him to give the team a chance to make a playoff run.

take a chill pill hommie

 

[Tropical Swarm]

I agree with you man. Something needs to be done. Miami is my TEAM. Watching people ride the jock of one player is annoying. At the level Pep is playing at right now, I'd much rather have Gus. That's right GUS. At least the guy wasn't scared and he made some plays. Culpepper isn't getting it done. I keep hearing people say "be patient, it's only the second game". Well, to that I say: Two games is too many. Culpepper has played football all of his life and 7 years in the NFL. He knows what to expect. Physically, he is able to do everything a QB should be able to do. (IF this weren't true, he wouldn't have gotten medical clearance.) There are no excuses. Culpepper needs to step it up. BIG TIME. OR we need to make a change for the MIAMI DOLPHINS sake.

right on man the only thing i disagree with is lets wait until atleast halftime this week to bench him unless he throws like 2 or 3 pics in the first quarter or fumbles five times

 

[NJFINSFAN1]

When Marino was playing and the Dolphins defense was pretty bad and no running game I might add, Miami still won a lot more games than they lost.

We never won the one that mattered most!

 

[Shula 347]

I guess we wouldn't be Dolphins fans if we weren't getting this upset about "0-2." After all, we had quite a streak of seasons where we started off "2-0."
While I don't think it is too early to be worried, I do think it is too early to write Culpepper off. Even if he wasn't injured, he would have had a transition period just from playing with a new team. New environments (and injuries) can affect previously prolific quarterbacks (exhibit A: Kurt Warner, post-Rams). If we had won the Bills game, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I love it that we have Daunte on our team, but I for one am a Phinfan first. If we blow it against the Titans and Daunte plays horribly, I think that there will be many people who deserve having fingers pointed at them, including Mularkey and maybe even Saban.

 

[SCall13]

I guess we wouldn't be Dolphins fans if we weren't getting this upset about "0-2." After all, we had quite a streak of seasons where we started off "2-0."
While I don't think it is too early to be worried, I do think it is too early to write Culpepper off. Even if he wasn't injured, he would have had a transition period just from playing with a new team. New environments (and injuries) can affect previously prolific quarterbacks (exhibit A: Kurt Warner, post-Rams). If we had won the Bills game, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I love it that we have Daunte on our team, but I for one am a Phinfan first. If we blow it against the Titans and Daunte plays horribly, I think that there will be many people who deserve having fingers pointed at them, including Mularkey and maybe even Saban.

Welcome, and good first post.

 

[Tropical Swarm]

I guess we wouldn't be Dolphins fans if we weren't getting this upset about "0-2." After all, we had quite a streak of seasons where we started off "2-0."
While I don't think it is too early to be worried, I do think it is too early to write Culpepper off. Even if he wasn't injured, he would have had a transition period just from playing with a new team. New environments (and injuries) can affect previously prolific quarterbacks (exhibit A: Kurt Warner, post-Rams). If we had won the Bills game, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I love it that we have Daunte on our team, but I for one am a Phinfan first. If we blow it against the Titans and Daunte plays horribly, I think that there will be many people who deserve having fingers pointed at them, including Mularkey and maybe even Saban.

no hopefully saban will see Daunte sucks if thats the case we will know sunday :tantrum:

 

[PhinsPhan]

How about the fact that Minnesota is 9-2 since getting rid of Daunte.

That is a good enough stat for those that say Minnesota had a crappy team when Daunte was playing last year.

 

[DolphinzD]

I would rather have the PRODUCTION that we got from Gus. Saying Gus sucks is an easy out. Gus was better than any QB that we've had since Marino. Culpepper is more physically gifted than GUs and is a better athlete, but from a production standpoint, Gus - aside from comp % - was more productive last season than Culpepper is on pace for. No denying that. Do I want Gus back? Absolutely not. DO I want better production and fewer mistakes out of our current QB situation? You better believe it!

I don't think I could have said it better.

 

[Shula 347]

no hopefully saban will see Daunte sucks if thats the case we will know sunday :tantrum:

And then there is always the possibility that we win going away but people wonder if it is just because we played such a horrible team! Looking ahead, we may not know anything for sure against Houston either. The game against the Pats in Week 5 may be when we get all our answers (assuming we go into it at 2-2!).


Scall13, thanks for the welcome.

 

[csabe]

Ok.. since you seem to think that it's only about the QB, let's take a look at Detroit while Joey was there:

2002: 3-10
2003: 5-11
2004: 6-10
2005: 4-7

Combined: 18-38

Oh yeah.. much better :shakeno:

LOL, my thoughts exactly and take a look at his #'s as well overall. Yeah a great idea, lets bring him in for a try it can't get much worse. Don't think so? Ask any Lions fan and they will tell you how to spell torture begins with Joey Harringtons name. Yeah and preseason means absolutely nothing either.

 

[csabe]

How about the fact that Minnesota is 9-2 since getting rid of Daunte.

That is a good enough stat for those that say Minnesota had a crappy team when Daunte was playing last year.

The Vikings defense have made major upgrades in their talent in the last 2 years and is the reason they are winning. Brad Johnson is nothing more than an above average QB who is 38.

 

[Tropical Swarm]

And then there is always the possibility that we win going away but people wonder if it is just because we played such a horrible team! Looking ahead, we may not know anything for sure against Houston either. The game against the Pats in Week 5 may be when we get all our answers (assuming we go into it at 2-2!).


Scall13, thanks for the welcome.

no im just saying if he plays like that and we lose we will know right away hes done :o

 

[Tropical Swarm]

LOL, my thoughts exactly and take a look at his #'s as well overall. Yeah a great idea, lets bring him in for a try it can't get much worse. Don't think so? Ask any Lions fan and they will tell you how to spell torture begins with Joey Harringtons name. Yeah and preseason means absolutely nothing either.

3 words no 4 the lions really sucked:dolphins:

 

[Tropical Swarm]

Joey Harrington supporter