Dolphins' draft Rumor: Miami locked in on RT at 19

[Valandui]

Give Hickey a chance. Moves so far show that he sees things much different (clearer) than Ireland.

Let's see the results and give him a chance.

Manning was right though -- in one of the most epic quotes of this off-season. He said, "In this league, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse."

In other words: STANDING PAT WITH MEDIOCRE TALENT at skill positions is a sure way to not even stay mediocre, lol.

We HAVE to upgrade the WR positions 2 through 5.

We HAVE to upgrade OL. MASSIVELY.

We HAVE to upgrade RB.

We HAVE to upgrade starting TEs.

We HAVE to upgrade LBs.

We HAVE to upgrade DL and S.

LD

So far, there has been little difference in the moves made this offseason as opposed to previous seasons aside from not dumping productive players for no apparent reason. I'm willing to give him a shot, but I'm not very optimistic that things will get much better.

 

[hemidemon]

As unexciting as that sounds, I would be fine with it for this draft. Filling gaping holes. I just don't believe it. Why would a team give away their plan this close to the draft? Doesn't make much sense.

Teams are always putting out misinformation this time of year.

 

[hoops]

I'll be holding you to what nick1 said you had said :^p

I think you're absolutely right that we have to improve our O-line play. It's likely that they'll prioritize RT with the 19th or the 50th selection. LG should get serious looks throughout the draft, but there shouldn't be any reason to reach on a LG. At 50, any of Moses, James, or Fleming address the need of a Day 1 RT. I think Fleming is really underrated. From there, keep an eye out for value at OG (Gabe Jackson in the 3rd, Turner in the 4th, etc.). I think we can address the O-line without missing out on top-notch defensive talent.

I know you like Bucannon, but if you want him, you're drafting him at 19. I'd like that pick. If you're comfortable that you can find a Day 1 RT at 50 and value at OG 81-UDFA's, I think you're happy drafting a guy like Bucannon or Ryan Shazier at 19. I know you don't like Shazier as much as I do, but I use him as an example. I don't bring him up much anymore, but I would be happy drafting Jimmie Ward at 19. I think he's a natural in single-high, and he's a great in slot man and zone. He reminds me of Ed Reed (not predicting that he'll duplicate Reed's success). I appreciate your urgency to address the O-line, but I think you can keep 19 open - and maybe even 81.

i doubt gabe jackson gets to the 3rd and thats a power scheme fit anyways i doubt turner gets to the 4th off the upside...even though thats where i graded him due to not enough body of work and slightly undersized at 6 ft 2...fleming screams power scheme right tackle to me

bucannon could go in round 1 i'd say who knows...i mean i dont think it's a stretch at all to have a first round grade there but i would be looking to trade down if that was the target...definitely some of the grades i see there or have seen are too low...it's closer to top 20 than top 50 imo

and you are welcome to hold me to anything i say...if they draft solid ready to go plug and play oline that don't have to be great just consistent i have no doubts the scoring of this offense will take off...but like i said the skill position talent we do have must be/stay healthy

we aren't loaded with talent by any means but we have enough to score more with better in the trenches oline play...this team could go in a lot of luxury directions but oline is a flat gaping hole need and so if it was up to me 2of those first 4 picks would be headed that direction...there should be oline help that grades out above or even with 2 of those first 4 picks...one tackle one guard with VERSATILITY...find them

 

[dlockz]

i doubt gabe jackson gets to the 3rd and thats a power scheme fit anyways i doubt turner gets to the 4th off the upside...even though thats where i graded him due to not enough body of work and slightly undersized at 6 ft 2...fleming screams power scheme right tackle to me

bucannon could go late round 1 i'd say who knows...i mean i dont think it's a stretch at all to have a first round grade there but i would be looking to trade down if that was the target

and you are welcome to hold me to anything i say...if they draft solid ready to go plug and play oline that don't have to be great just consistent i have no doubts the scoring of this offense will take off...but like i said the skill position talent we do have must be/stay healthy

we aren't loaded with talent by any means but we have enough to score more with better in the trenches oline play...this team could go in a lot of luxury directions but oline is a flat gaping hole need and so if it was up to me 2of those first 4 picks would be headed that direction...there should be oline help that grades out above or even with 2 of those first 4 picks...one tackle one guard with VERSATILITY...find them

So true we still have holes at three positions. Shelly smith may be a starter but in four years in the NFL has not proven he is an NFL starter. Jason Fox is no factor. If he stays healthy and contributes fine but we all know that is not very likely and Hicky is not stupid enough to be counting on him.

 

[hoops]

So true we still have holes at three positions. Shelly smith may be a starter but in four years in the NFL has not proven he is an NFL starter. Jason Fox is no factor. If he stays healthy and contributes fine but we all know that is not very likely and Hicky is not stupid enough to be counting on him.

if anyones depending on jason fox they are either in denial or havent been paying attention...and shelly smith i know we signed him but that contract doesnt say lock stock starter week 1

draft some legit competition for these jobs and worst case plan b's if all these brittle signings we made this offseason go belly up...some of em are bound to...better have options

 

[dlockz]

if anyones depending on jason fox they are either in denial or havent been paying attention...and shelly smith i know we signed him but that contract doesnt say lock stock starter week 1

draft some legit competition for these jobs and worst case plan b's if all these brittle signings we made this offseason go belly up...some of em are bound to...better have options

It was amazing how talented Jason Fox and Shelly smith became once they signed contracts with us.

 

[Valandui]

i doubt gabe jackson gets to the 3rd and thats a power scheme fit anyways i doubt turner gets to the 4th off the upside...even though thats where i graded him due to not enough body of work and slightly undersized at 6 ft 2...fleming screams power scheme right tackle to me

bucannon could go in round 1 i'd say who knows...i mean i dont think it's a stretch at all to have a first round grade there but i would be looking to trade down if that was the target...definitely some of the grades i see there or have seen are too low...it's closer to top 20 than top 50 imo

and you are welcome to hold me to anything i say...if they draft solid ready to go plug and play oline that don't have to be great just consistent i have no doubts the scoring of this offense will take off...but like i said the skill position talent we do have must be/stay healthy

we aren't loaded with talent by any means but we have enough to score more with better in the trenches oline play...this team could go in a lot of luxury directions but oline is a flat gaping hole need and so if it was up to me 2of those first 4 picks would be headed that direction...there should be oline help that grades out above or even with 2 of those first 4 picks...one tackle one guard with VERSATILITY...find them

I'm not saying the OL doesn't need work or that it should be ignored. I just think that you can address the OL and take a potential playmaker in the first. Hell, you could spend the second and third on OL, but this offense is one Mike Wallace injury away from being completely ineffective. A first round WR or TE could help to stem that.

 

[hoops]

I'm not saying the OL doesn't need work or that it should be ignored. I just think that you can address the OL and take a potential playmaker in the first. Hell, you could spend the second and third on OL, but this offense is one Mike Wallace injury away from being completely ineffective. A first round WR or TE could help to stem that.

like i said two out of the top 4 picks...i wish this team could just have a playmaker skill position mindset but buddy if they don't fix the oline or scheme ways to hide it more none of that other stuff is gonna matter...we gonna be done before we ever even got started...

you want to turn the corner keep your qb upright and be able to run the ball when the defense knows it's coming...deepest draft in the last decade well give me some of those deepest draft in the last decade hogs then...pick 19 pick 50 pick 81 pick whatver it is in round 4 however it goes just give me 2 hogs by early day 3 at least...dont have me scrambling for guys that need to redshirt projects on day 3 looking for diamonds in the rough

 

[Valandui]

like i said two out of the top 4 picks...i wish this team could just have a playmaker skill position mindset but buddy if they don't fix the oline or scheme ways to hide it more none of that other stuff is gonna matter...we gonna be done before we ever even got started...

you want to turn the corner keep your qb upright and be able to run the ball when the defense knows it's coming...

I think we're in agreement on this. I'm just not sure using the first rounder on OL is required to fix it.

 

[russianbear]

People keep saying its a deep draft so stay away from o line in the first 2 days well that same logic applies to playmakers and we say that every year. I don't wanna get caught on day 3 looking at the board throwing darts at **** o line prospects

 

[dlockz]

Not sure why people think the only solution for teams to get better is to draft so called playmakers. Im sure Miami thought they found two playmakers in Ted ginn and Lorenzo booker and see what tht got us.
That 3rd overall playmaker really made an impact for us last year.

 

[hoops]

I think we're in agreement on this. I'm just not sure using the first rounder on OL is required to fix it.

just depends on the board and how the grades come out...i'm confident zach martin carries a top 20 grade so for me it would validate it but if they go in a different direction again depends on whats available etc...heck he may be gone anyways....i'll know if they reach whoever it is

after zach martin any offensive lineman at 19 would be a reach...dont care if its moses xavier sua filo (cause he doesnt have tackle versatility like martin for instance) jawaun james (who projects more on the left tackle side anyways etc) koaunjo for medical etc...a trade down sure but not in the top 20

i'll know with the other position players too...

 

[hoops]

j off her doll 4 safeties in the top 50 picks...ha ha pryor bucannon and your boy...too many teams who have safety needs if they pass in round 1 and guys that validate grades...ie detroit, baltimore, dallas, st louis etc...

 

[hoops]

if you really want to trade out i'd start praying for someone to feel like zona is gonna steal their cookies on a qb and want to come up in front of them...problem is in the 20's at least cleveland is the one who i would be most interested in...don't much like the idea of completely trading out of round 1 for a team coming up from early round 2...yeah you can use what you get as ammo to trade back up for a player but you're no longer in control...and players will roll off in front of you

start some serious zona qb rumors...ha ha...

 

[j-off-her-doll]

j off her doll 4 safeties in the top 50 picks...ha ha pryor bucannon and your boy...too many teams who have safety needs if they pass in round 1 and guys that validate grades...ie detroit, baltimore, dallas, st louis etc...

I think so. I don't think Miami will prioritize the position, but I think they should consider it. Assuming they don't want to reach at RT (for the sake of the point, let's assume Martin has already been drafted), and they'd rather not go WR in RD 1, there probably won't be a DE or DT worth drafting at 19, and Mosley and Shazier are the only LB's who might be there and (arguably) worth the pick. There are various scenarios where either or both won't be there and/or where Miami wouldn't have a top-20 grade on one or both. So it could come down to a scenario of CB vs S. I like Verrett, Fuller, and Roby, but I don't think they'd have the cumulative impact on the D that a Ward or Bucannon would.

On a side note, Seattle got a steal in Earl Thomas. 4 years at 10 per for the guy who should have been DPOY - and the one guy that D absolutely needs to thrive.