Dolphins emphasizing YAC amongst skill players - Per Rotoworld

[RobertHorry]

I don't think anyone has talked about it yet, but Daniel Thomas is pretty underrated at getting YAC. I like him more than most players on our roster at getting YAC sans Bush, Clay, and maybe Bess.

Moore has shown some ability but he has no idea how to catch a football.

 

[Wildbill3]

meh. not calling plays to get field goals should help tremendously.

 

[datruth55]

Have you took a second to think that maybe it is not the 10 guys catching the ball, it is the one QB throwing them or the one guy calling the plays and routes?

Sure did. I think the routes are pretty much the same routes most other players run. The year before when Daboll was in Cleveland their top six looked like this:

Peyton Hillis #11 with 453 yards of YAC (on 61 receptions...7.43 yards per catch average)...pretty even with Reggie Bush
Benjamin Watson #69 with 258 yard of YAC (on 68 receptions...3.79 yards per catch average)...pretty even with Fasano
Chansi Stuckey #104 with 199 yards of YAC (on 40 receptions...4.98 yards per catch average)...pretty even with Bess (I think Stuckey was the slot receiver..???)
Mohamed Massaquoi #154 with 132 yards of YAC (on 36 receptions...3.67 yards per catch average)...pretty even with Marshall (I think Massaquoi was the #1 WR..???)
Evan Moore #201 with 95 yards of YAC (on 16 receptions...5.94 yards per catch average)...pretty even with Charles Clay
Robert Royal #345 with 17 yards of YAC (on 5 receptions...3.4 yards per catch average)...he was the 3rd TE and I don't think we even used a 3rd TE in the passing game last year.

So the average of YAC per receptions was pretty close so I think the play calling was about the same but the total yards and receptions for Cleveland was less than Miami which means the receivers and QB were not as good in Cleveland as they were in Miami. Granted, I pointed out that Moore's ball placement is not very good and wondered how effective he'll be in the WCO back when Philbin was hired...and I had several posters jump down my throat. Same could be said of Colt McCoy...might be why they drafted Weeden in the first round. Three of the top 10 leaders in YAC last year all play for the Patriots and while Brady gets a lot of hype for his passing numbers he throws more passes under 10 yards of any QB in the league but he also puts it in the perfect spot for his receivers to do something with it after the catch so I don't disagree with ball placement being a key factor in YAC.


So if we look at the top 5 from the year before with Henne throwing to them for the majority of the year:

Davone Bess #45 with 316 yards of YAC (on 79 receptions...4 yards per catch average)
Brian Hartline #87 with 221 yards of YAC (on 43 receptions...5.14 yards per catch average)
Ronnie Brown #90 with 219 yards of YAC (on 33 receptions...6.64 yards per catch average)
Anthony Fasano #99 with 207 yards of YAC (on 39 receptions...5.31 yards per catch average)
Brandon Marshall #114 with 185 yards of YAC (on 86 receptions...2.15 yards per catch average)

Marshall is the only player who was significantly less in YAC per reception with Henne (maybe why he didn't like him so much). Bess was almost even and everyone else, of those who came back, were better. And we know Henne was not the best at ball placement and Henning was as predictible as they come with his play calling. I'm not sure you can make a correllation between QB, plays, playcalling and receiver. Personally I think it has more to do with reciever than anything else...when Vernon Davis, who has Alex Smith throwing him the ball and has been hot garbage until last year and he still wasn't all that good, leads the league in YAC and Steve Johnson, who has Fitpatrick throwing him the ball, is second in the league I tend to think it's more receiver driven than anything else.

 

[dolfan_101]

If its okay with you I'd rather stick with coach philben on this. I'm not sure how his offense is going to work without the supposed "#1" Wr but I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt that they have a plan and a system. Once more people are putting foot in mouth way too early because "they" dont understand.

I don't follow you, I never questioned there is a system in place. It's quite obvious. No scheme is going neutralize the opponents #1 cb completely, that's unfortunate for Hartline.

 

[insomnia411]

yeah and now somehow hartline is supposed to fare so much better when he's now gonna be matched up more regularly with legit opposition or the top corners on the opposition...yeah right...like i said it better be some serious scheme and overload wr type stuff if this gonna work...

There are a select few people on this board who have sense and possess a rational opinion about football, and you happen to be one of those people. I appreciate your honest opinion.
More importantly, people like to throw around stats about Marshall's YAC which imply (without openly saying) that Marshall isn't that good and the team is better off with what we have now. That's a blatant lie and it's really a homer disaster that anybody actually feels that way. If you have ever actually seen Brandon Marshall play, you would know that he is not the MOST consistent receiver in the leage, but when used properly he is absolutely an animal. We got a lot worse on offense by simply dumping him, and those who are expecting big things from the likes of Fasano, Hartline and Bush are sadly mistaken.

 

[insomnia411]

I don't think anyone has talked about it yet, but Daniel Thomas is pretty underrated at getting YAC. I like him more than most players on our roster at getting YAC sans Bush, Clay, and maybe Bess.

Moore has shown some ability but he has no idea how to catch a football.

You're touting two guys in Clay and Thomas who combined have made a grand total of about 4 good NFL plays. How can you possibly have so much faith in guys with almost absolutely no track record?

 

[insomnia411]

If its okay with you I'd rather stick with coach philben on this. I'm not sure how his offense is going to work without the supposed "#1" Wr but I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt that they have a plan and a system. Once more people are putting foot in mouth way too early because "they" dont understand.

Did you give the benefit of the doubt to Sparano and Henning too?
I give the benefit of the doubt to common sense and logic. Brian Hartline has never shown the ability to be a dominant outside threat while Brandon Marshall very much has. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.

 

[dolfan_101]

Did you give the benefit of the doubt to Sparano and Henning too?
I give the benefit of the doubt to common sense and logic. Brian Hartline has never shown the ability to be a dominant outside threat while Brandon Marshall very much has. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.

*slow clap*

 

[hoops]

fellas charles clay as a defeat coverage guy is a virtual unknown quantity...he did his rac and damage last year on the plays he did make primarily cause the opposition failed to account for him...of course you let a guy run down the seam of your d unimpeded and gets so little use that the safeties don't even know to account for him pretty much you're gonna see some inflated rac #'s

i want to see him beat a guy at the los a lb off the jam or separate from man coverage down the field...til he shows us he can do that counting him as a rac guy in this o provided the d accounts for him is fools gold

 

[Phinatic8u]

You're touting two guys in Clay and Thomas who combined have made a grand total of about 4 good NFL plays. How can you possibly have so much faith in guys with almost absolutely no track record?

It's just like you having faith in a rookie. Except these guys have shown they have the ability to make it in the NFL

 

[insomnia411]

It's just like you having faith in a rookie. Except these guys have shown they have the ability to make it in the NFL

That facepalm is totally unwarranted. I'm just saying that those two players haven't shown me any reason to have faith in them going forward, either at the collegiate or NFL level. I did like Thomas coming out somewhat, but I'll believe it when I see it as far as Clay and Thomas are concerned in the NFL. I personally believe that Egnew will be a much better player than Clay will be. I know, Egnew hasn't done anything in the NFL obviously either, but IMO he was much more impressive as a receiver in college than Clay was.

 

[ANUFan]

Did you give the benefit of the doubt to Sparano and Henning too?
I give the benefit of the doubt to common sense and logic. Brian Hartline has never shown the ability to be a dominant outside threat while Brandon Marshall very much has. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.

Thats a negative! Their were way too many coaching decision that i didn't agree with under that regime... Besides doesn't common sense and logic suggest that Philbin and staff with all their information compared to yours know what they're talking about and doing?

 

[Dolfan Dave]

I don't think the answer for this is in the past on a box score or stat sheet. This is a new offense which can be maximized by YAC so therefore it's being stressed to players more so than it has in the past. Stressing its importance is fine and I don't think coaching staff is expecting Fasano to be the #1 TE in the league in YAC because they're stressing it because if he can turn a 6 yard catch to a 9 yard gain to get a first down then job well done.

As for Hartine haters, he runs good routes, changes speeds well, has great footwork on sidelines, and very good hands. He is going to catch balls, his YPC might not be chart topping, but he'll be effective.

 

[LikeUntoGod]

C Clay had most of his "Big plays" last season found the FB position. Most defenses do not expect the FB to run 15 plus yard patterns.

I still give Thomas, Clay and Gates a bye for last season for starting out the year injured with the kinds of injuries that only heal though lack of use (hamstring and groin)

One thing about YAC. It does depend not only on the QB but on the routes called. You are going to get more YAC yards off of a 5 yard slant then on a 12 curl in. That is just simple football. For me the question should also be which pass play do you make more yards off of? The 5 yard slant that goes for 10 yards or the 12 yard curl that goes for 12 yards.

I'll take a WR whose yard per reception is higher then a WR who has a lower YPR and a higher YAC. A WR main job is to get open and CATCH the football. If he does those two thing very well he almost never has to make YAC.

Some fans here need to get over B Marshall, the Bronco fans did. He runs poor routes and drops passes. People tend to forget the drives he stopped by dropping the ball or running a poor route because every once in a while he makes a great play. The odd part of that is that I do not remember him making that many great plays here. Does he even have a "highlight" film as a Dolphin?

You do not use a player off of what he used to do or once did, you play him off of what he is doing now.

 

[Noodleman]

I think some of you are not understanding what Miami is doing apparently. You complain about the receiving core which is understandable. The reality MIami had MANY holes to fill and it is just not possible to fill them all. Trading Marshall was obviously an addition by subtraction in their opinion....get over it. Nobody is saying the current crop of receivers are going to be the second coming of the packers wr core all they are trying to do is have a positive outlook. Stop whining about how bad they suck, who knows what some of these guys will do. The NFL is full of players who blossomed when given the opportunity...the receivers have an opportunity which is what all NFL role players want. Marshall was awesome in a lot of ways and not so awesome in others....doesn't matter tho since he is GONE!!!! Stop criticizing people for trying to be positive....by the way positive does not equal blind homerism.