Originally posted by Fisticuff
Whats the difference if it's more vertical? He still had 60 something completion % last season (2002). whats the difference if he added more short passes? He still completed them.
What's the difference?? You have a greater chance of completing shorter passes than longer ones.
I guess Rivers is inaccurate because his offense runs dinks and dunks.
That's a silly analogy (even if it is sarcastic). The difference is that Rivers is actually an ultra accurate QB. And that's why his career completion percentage is an astounding 68% (72% last year).
Doesn't matter what offense you run, as long as you do it right.
Yup. And that's why we're searching for two new QBs.
You said Fiedler couldn't have won the Indy game because he isn't talented enough. I said he wins outside the box. Jay could have won the Indy game, and I bet he would have too.
And I bet I would have gone with the Prom Queen to the dance if I were cool and she didn't have a boyfriend.
Coulda shoulda woulda.....he didn't play. So you can't say anything with any certainty. And I stand by my assertion that Griese made plays that Fiedler can't/doesn't make to get us into position that day. We'll just agree to disagree.
I don't remember any game against Seattle (I assume you mean 2002 and I still don't remember that). The INT against Houston (2nd one) was not his fault (I can't remember the first one). Coleman came out and said he saw DT mess up the route and knew what was coming. NT called the same play twice. Not even Manning could have gotten it in.
I disagree. Fiedler doesn't have the arm to get that ball in there. But guys like Manning and McNair do. Thompson hung his QB out to dry IMO. But it doesn't change the fact that Jay can't make that throw. It's a long, tough throw that most guys struggle to hit.
The RB situation is different. Thats a product of poor footwork. He is always fading back when he throws them.
Negative. I've seen the guy set and make a poor throw to the back several occassions. It's not just when he's throwing screens or still in his drop. How about when he almost rendered Ricky sterile against the Jets on a simple swing pass??
8 Men in the box wasn't because of Jay, it was because of the oline. The same thing happened to Griese... When a team has a bad line, thats what you do.
True. But how many times did we hear guys like Mandich implore Jay to get the defense to back off??
By that rational, Dan Marino or Steve McNair could be behind this OL and they'd still flood the box. Sorry, but I'm not buying. The defense would be committing suicide.
At some point, you have to make "the plays".
reasons why MB blows ***.
1. He has had injury problems for the last few seasons (shoulder/arm). Unlike Fiedler (who is always being hit) Mark Brunell's problems are not really football related (on the field). Tendinitis (SP?) is one of the problems he has. He just came off elbow surgery earlier this season.
Jay Fiedler has had tendonitis the past two seasons. And he has only played a full season once. How about Jay hurting his hip in training camp?? Then again this past minicamp?? MINICAMP. Jay has suffered several other injuries. One of which I believe has hindered him for good (the thumb). Also, that rotator cuff injury in 2000 is a tough one to beat. Especially as fast as he did. It's amazing he came back to throw as quickly as he did. And his unstable knee (since college) isn't the most reassuring thing.
All QBs take beatings. And to imply that Mark Brunell's injuries aren't football related is just negligent. Obviously he wouln't be having these problems if he were say, selling insurance.
Also, the elbow injury originated when he suffered a deep gash to that elbow last year and it later became infected.
2. He was beat out by a rookie. The reasons the team played Leftwhich was because Brunell posted 70 or less QB rating in his final 2 games. It's not like they were playing anyone with a great pass defense.
More like Brunell got hurt, they put in The Future, Brunell had complications, and they left The Future in. The team is young and had little or no playoff aspirations at that point. He was not beaten out because they never had a competition.
3. He is a little whinny girl. He demands the starting job for the next half decade. No team can draft a QB while he is their. I would be insecure too if I lost my job to a rookie.
More misinformation. Sounds exactly like another thread we had the other night. You act as if they had a competition or one guy never got hurt.
Put yourself in Brunell's shoes. If you felt like you could contribute at a high level for 3-4 more years, would you willingly walk into a situation where they are spending alot of money grooming your replacement?? I can tell you what it's like first hand.
Brunell sucks and doesn't have anything left in the tank. I would rather have Doug Flutie who is 42 years old.
That's quite an indictment. Maybe you should inform Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Marty Schottenheimer, and Rick Speilman of their errors in judgement.
....mole said "fruity pebbles" in two different posts....
