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I think the fins have enough vet locker room guys to keep Carter in check if need be.
With Zach, Sam, DG, JT, and Pat on the team, I think there are enough leaders to step up and calm him down if the need arose.
Why is it, that all the "team leadrers are on defense?
Something about the defensive mentality?
Who knows?
I, for one, think we need to have a guy on the offensive side of the ball that will have some balls and encourage (yes, maybe even demand) his teamates to give their all and perform to their potential.
Seems to me, there used to be a guy down here that would get in teamates faces once in a while.
With Zach, Sam, DG, JT, and Pat on the team, I think there are enough leaders to step up and calm him down if the need arose.
Why is it, that all the "team leadrers are on defense?
Something about the defensive mentality?
Who knows?
I, for one, think we need to have a guy on the offensive side of the ball that will have some balls and encourage (yes, maybe even demand) his teamates to give their all and perform to their potential.
Seems to me, there used to be a guy down here that would get in teamates faces once in a while.
I was for signing Carter before I found out that Miami would cut Gadsen if we signed Carter.
Here is my question: If we sign Carter and need to cut another WR, why not cut McKnight instead of Gadsen? Gadsen is a lot better and more reliable than McKnight.
How much, if any, money would we save if we cut McKnight? And I don't care what answer for that question some Bills fan claiming to be a god of "capology" has.
Here is my question: If we sign Carter and need to cut another WR, why not cut McKnight instead of Gadsen? Gadsen is a lot better and more reliable than McKnight.
How much, if any, money would we save if we cut McKnight? And I don't care what answer for that question some Bills fan claiming to be a god of "capology" has.
scotgif
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"I am a bit waffling on this, i.e. I could live w/ or w/o Carter, so I'll throw a name and year out there that could equate to Carter:"
1995 Eric Green
I don't see this.
Let's look at the two.
Eric Green was overweight. Cater is a specimin
Green had a couple good years. Carter is a hall of famer.
Green was always hurt. Carter always plays.
Green had a bad work ethic. Carter is the consumate practice player.
So, I do not see the comparisons to the two.
Yes, Eric Green had a bad attitude, but, he never walked the walk.
He was all talk.
At least Chris Carter performs.
1995 Eric Green
I don't see this.
Let's look at the two.
Eric Green was overweight. Cater is a specimin
Green had a couple good years. Carter is a hall of famer.
Green was always hurt. Carter always plays.
Green had a bad work ethic. Carter is the consumate practice player.
So, I do not see the comparisons to the two.
Yes, Eric Green had a bad attitude, but, he never walked the walk.
He was all talk.
At least Chris Carter performs.
Hellion
She can rub my Baltars!
Yes but how many times did Marino rip a player in the media? He may have tore into the TEAM but not an individual player.On the field? Yes he tore into guys but he's the QB he's the offesive leader, he's supposed to. You didn't see him pushing defensive guys out there.
The only offensive leader is the QB Flat out. Carter obviously dosen't understand this concept.
Carter will be in Jays face by week 3 AND I don't want anyone having to tell Carter to sit down and shut up if he acts up, because that shows he's already creating problems that distracts the teams focus from the game and season.The best way to avoid this problem is to not sign the problem in the 1st place.
We may need a guy who can light a fire on offense but Carter isn't that guy IMO.
:monkey: Carter 80
The only offensive leader is the QB Flat out. Carter obviously dosen't understand this concept.
Carter will be in Jays face by week 3 AND I don't want anyone having to tell Carter to sit down and shut up if he acts up, because that shows he's already creating problems that distracts the teams focus from the game and season.The best way to avoid this problem is to not sign the problem in the 1st place.
We may need a guy who can light a fire on offense but Carter isn't that guy IMO.
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scotgif
Seasoned Veteran
Sometimes I think the "leadership" thing is overrated.
The word is kicked around a lot, but, IMO performance is as important as leadership.
Bottom line on Chris Carter:
He can still play at a high level.
IMO we should not cut OG to make room for Carter.
That would be counterproductive.
I think the greatest asset to Chris Carter would be in the red zone when you can line up OG, CC, and CC as your 3 wideouts.
We need as many red zone options as possible.
So, if you sign Carter, but then release OG, the question then becomes: Does Chris Carter alone give you more than if OG and Carter were on the team?
I say no.
The main reason to bring in CC IMO is to optomize scoring chances in the red zone.
Why give up a weapon to bring in another weapon?
I say use them both.
It's a win win situation!!!
The word is kicked around a lot, but, IMO performance is as important as leadership.
Bottom line on Chris Carter:
He can still play at a high level.
IMO we should not cut OG to make room for Carter.
That would be counterproductive.
I think the greatest asset to Chris Carter would be in the red zone when you can line up OG, CC, and CC as your 3 wideouts.
We need as many red zone options as possible.
So, if you sign Carter, but then release OG, the question then becomes: Does Chris Carter alone give you more than if OG and Carter were on the team?
I say no.
The main reason to bring in CC IMO is to optomize scoring chances in the red zone.
Why give up a weapon to bring in another weapon?
I say use them both.
It's a win win situation!!!
Hellion
She can rub my Baltars!
Sorry but I couldn't disagree with you more on the leadership role.
Good leadership is what creates good performance.
There are views on leadership, one says "If your men hate you then they'll follow you because of fear of the consequences" the other is "If your men love you then they'll give their lives for you"
A good leader is respected, not loved or hated, RESPECTED because of his character AND how he performs, you can't have one with out the other and have respect as a leader.
Carter's problem is he lost that respect in Minn. because of his character not his performance.
You lead in the locker room and on the field, NOT in the media!
Carter has (too many times) talked about how during a game he gave it his all and how he tried to motivate his teammates because they were'nt playing up to their level, and all you see on highlights and sound bites is his tantums.
"You tell me and I forget."
"You teach me and I will remember"
"you involve me and I perform."
Good leadership is what creates good performance.
There are views on leadership, one says "If your men hate you then they'll follow you because of fear of the consequences" the other is "If your men love you then they'll give their lives for you"
A good leader is respected, not loved or hated, RESPECTED because of his character AND how he performs, you can't have one with out the other and have respect as a leader.
Carter's problem is he lost that respect in Minn. because of his character not his performance.
You lead in the locker room and on the field, NOT in the media!
Carter has (too many times) talked about how during a game he gave it his all and how he tried to motivate his teammates because they were'nt playing up to their level, and all you see on highlights and sound bites is his tantums.
"You tell me and I forget."
"You teach me and I will remember"
"you involve me and I perform."
VanDolPhan
Practice Squad
Then it was a very bad point. It had more to do with George flat out being too old and too worthless to play. It was the one time in the history of the NFL where Tony Banks was actually an upgrade
Plus the Skins D stepped it up making them more competitive.If he wanted to make a point with troublesome attitude then he should have pointed out Snyder who forced his will for George to be the starter.
The 49ers Owens is the epitome of a troublesome WR and he certainly didn't destroy that teams record.
Hellion
She can rub my Baltars!
Owen's problems are with the head coach not any of the player. Marriucci (sp?) does a good job in keeping it between himself and Owen's.
T.O. dosen't bash other players in the media, (not that i've heard of.) He doesn't seem to be a team leader therefore it may not effect the team as much as Carter or George's situations have.
It may not have effected their record but it still could have caused a problem that created under achievement.
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This is the point that I have tried to make,, Wanstedt is not D-Green, and he will never put up with the crap that transpired in Minnesota. Don't you guy's believe that WannSpeil would have a clause in C-Carter contract that would protect the Dolphins cap if Carter implodes? I still maintain that alot of the negative press that C-Carter has recieved is unjustified, I am not saying he is an angel but he is NOOOO R-Moss or S- Sharpe for that matter. The upside that he would bring to Miami is unimaginable, but I agree, he would have to come in at the minimum or little higher and if he became too much of a distraction-- then the team would have a right to cut him without a big cap hit! Marino1983:D
dolfan87
The Human Bullet
Hey if Carter can keep his mouth in check, and comes in with the right attitude, it will be an outstanding pickup. Just remember if we sign him, there will be a HUGE amount of expectation for Miami to win it all. From the fans, the media, everywhere.
Now that is no reason to not sign a guy, but just remember that it will be there...underlying everything. I hope our Dolphins can handle it.
Now that is no reason to not sign a guy, but just remember that it will be there...underlying everything. I hope our Dolphins can handle it.
Cranx
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Sorry bro, but I couldn't disagree too much more on this. Just look at what happened last year when Trace took off for the Fay-dahs, there was a huge void of leadership on the defense that has yet to be fully replaced. Trace had a ton of sacks two seasons ago but before that he was an exceptionally valuable member of the team due to his tremendous leadership ability. If "Cryin" Chris has any of his outbursts and gets in the face of Fiedler, Williams, Zach, JT or any of the other team leaders then make no mistake about it, it will fragment the team in some way and will be a problem because this team has been together long enough that there is going to be a quite a bit of loyalty towards the individual whose face he gets into. In that case he would alienate himself, maybe say some derogatory things to the media, and cause some very negative energy on the team that simply does not need to be there.
This is a very polarized debate without a lot of middle ground but I just want some of you guys who are all for this signing to consider some of the negative thigs that have been posted here, widely reported in the media, and espoused by teamates.
VanDolPhan
Practice Squad
You couldn't be more wrong. That battle was much more public then the Carter fiasco. I watched T.O. in interviews publically talking about his issues with him. Then there was that whole thing with him in Dallas and running to the star and spiking the ball there
Anyways Carters crap won't happen here. Wanny wouldn't allow it. Dennis Green was the cause of that teams collapse. He never dealt with the issues.
Hellion
She can rub my Baltars!
:nono: Read the post again.
"You couldn't be more wrong. That battle was much more public then the Carter fiasco. I watched T.O. in interviews publically talking about his issues with him. "
What does that have to do with Owens and his teammates?:confused:
Owens didn't call any other players out in the media. He didn't get in players faces or create discontent among others.
He publically had issues with his coach and Marriuci did a good job in keeping it between the two of them and not getting the rest of the team involved.
I never said that it wasn't public , I said "He doesn't SEEM to be a team leader therefore it MAY not effect the team as much as Carter or George's situations have. "
Because Carter and George were team leaders it had a larger effect on the team and in Carters case he DID involve other players.
"Then there was that whole thing with him in Dallas and running to the star and spiking the ball there "
That's what started the whole problem to begin with publically, Owens was pissed because Marriucci didn't back him up and Owens was mad because his coach said publically that he was wrong for spiking the ball on the star.
But Owens did not publically involve any teammates, I agree it was more public than Carter but to his teammates it was more of a Player/coach issue not a team issue therefore it may not have effected the teams performance.
I'm not defending Owens actions or his public issues with Marriucci, I'm just saying that it's not comparable to Carter. :)
I gotta admit I thought it was funny seeing him piss off the Cowpolks.
"You couldn't be more wrong. That battle was much more public then the Carter fiasco. I watched T.O. in interviews publically talking about his issues with him. "
What does that have to do with Owens and his teammates?:confused:
Owens didn't call any other players out in the media. He didn't get in players faces or create discontent among others.
He publically had issues with his coach and Marriuci did a good job in keeping it between the two of them and not getting the rest of the team involved.
I never said that it wasn't public , I said "He doesn't SEEM to be a team leader therefore it MAY not effect the team as much as Carter or George's situations have. "
Because Carter and George were team leaders it had a larger effect on the team and in Carters case he DID involve other players.
"Then there was that whole thing with him in Dallas and running to the star and spiking the ball there "
That's what started the whole problem to begin with publically, Owens was pissed because Marriucci didn't back him up and Owens was mad because his coach said publically that he was wrong for spiking the ball on the star.
But Owens did not publically involve any teammates, I agree it was more public than Carter but to his teammates it was more of a Player/coach issue not a team issue therefore it may not have effected the teams performance.
I'm not defending Owens actions or his public issues with Marriucci, I'm just saying that it's not comparable to Carter. :)
I gotta admit I thought it was funny seeing him piss off the Cowpolks.