Dolphins looking to fill fullback position, with Clay making the move to TE

[2413fanphins]

if it were me... I'd only concentrate on receiving tight ends numbers... why you ask??? oh i don't know, something about the leauge being pass oriented, tells me it's a good idea... just a hunch!

 

[damanref10]

Pro football focus is a VERY subjective when having to do with individual ratings
It's just SOMEONES opinion .

oh i totally agree. Jersey Dolfan came up spewing PFF loving fasano and i was just bringing it in to show him it was nonsense lol

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if it were me... I'd only concentrate on receiving tight ends numbers... why you ask??? oh i don't know, something about the leauge being pass oriented, tells me it's a good idea... just a hunch!

its almost like we are the only team who hasn't caught on to some of these trends lately lol

 

[Jersey DolFan]

Last year Anthony Fasano was rated the 8th most productive tight end in the NFL byProFootballFocus.com. His run blocking and pass blocking was amongst the best in the league, and he only dropped one pass last season.

-Omar Kelly yesterday

http://twitter.com/#!/omarkelly

here is the most targeted Tight Ends last season - fasano not even close to on there. with his drop percentage being under 5% - if was in less to pass protect hed have many more receptions:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/24/fantasy-advanced-targets-tight-end-review/


Here is his contract "NUMBERS" as i said, well out of the "top 5 average" for his position of around 5 million, which is what you claimed he was making. Not every starter on every team is a "franchise player" Fasano is a solid tight end, making solid established starter money - well below the 5 million AVERAGE of the TOP 5 -

2012: $3.6 million, 2013: Free Agent

taken from here - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3604/anthony-fasano

and finally heres our head coach talking about his catching ability -

"I really thought (Anthony) Fasano played well. I thought he caught the football well. He makes some difficult catches, catches the ball over the middle, and catches it in traffic. He certainly goes after the football so we like what we saw there.

and on tight ends in general -

Again, we would like to find a guy that can function as an in-line blocker. You want someone who can sit next to your offensive tackle, double team down on the defensive end, single block a defensive end, zone block with a tackle. Those are probably the three primary things that we look to identify watching a tight from a blocking prospective. You love to see a guy that can win down the middle of the field and typically that's where they lineup most of the time so whether it's a walkout linebacker or strong safety, like to see a guy that can win his fair share of those matchups and a guy that can get in and out of his cuts in the intermediate area, That would be an added bonus.

again - people just look at the glitz and reciving numbers of a tight end, and probably play a little too much dream team madden. We are solid at Tight End and fasano is not going anywhere anytime soon in my estimation.

im tired of the way fans buy into the media hype machine. the super duper crazy offense tight end masters - the pats lost the superbowl to the giants who had an average tight end at best. those same giants who beat vernon davis and the 9ers, those same 9ers who beat jimmy graham. we have much bigger problems than paying a solid 4 year starter 3.6 million dollars in the final year of a back-loaded contract. cut me a break.

 

[daniel3]

You really don't have to look at what PFF says to see Fasano's worth and I don't think he's going anywhere. He could easily duplicate what Hernandez is doing in NE, as I think they're very similar in respect to dedication to blocking and pass catching ability. It was a joke how we basically locked out most of our offense the first half of the season last year, as it didn't even seem like we had any receiving threats outside our two wideouts until midway durig the season.n

 

[Geforce]

I think Fasano is safe. He is a good all round TE. This move doesn't affect Fasano all IMHO.
If we draft Fleener, then Fasano will have a reason to be concerned.
Clay makes plays. He needs to get the ball more often.

Chad Diehl would be a great sledgehammer blocking full back..if that is what we need. He will probably sign as a free agent.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1262940/chad-diehl

Even if we draft Fleener I don't think, atleast for this season, that Fasano will have a reason to be concerned. As Philbin said in an interview, he is looking for a TE than can function as an in-line blocker and that fits what Fasano does very well.

(On how do you utilize the tight end position) – “Again, we would like to find a guy that can function as an in-line blocker. You want someone who can sit next to your offensive tackle, double team down on the defensive end, single block a defensive end, zone block with a tackle.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...mi-dolphins-coach-joe-philbin-unfiltered.html

 

[Geforce]

Here is his contract "NUMBERS" as i said, well out of the "top 5 average" for his position of around 5 million, which is what you claimed he was making. Not every starter on every team is a "franchise player" Fasano is a solid tight end, making solid established starter money - well below the 5 million AVERAGE of the TOP 5 - taken from here - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3604/anthony-fasano

The $3.6 million is Fasano base salary not what his cap hit for 2012 will be.

Breakdown: Fasano got off to a slow start in ’11, but by season’s end he turned in one of his better NFL seasons, catching 32 passes for 451 yards and scoring five touchdowns. However, he has a cap number of $4,375,000, and that might need to be adjusted.

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport.../02/miami-dolphins-depth-chart-offense-2.html


According to Sportrac.com, Fasano's base salary of $3.6 million is 10 amongst TE and his cap hit of $4.4 million is 13th.
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/tight-end/
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/tight-end/

 

[damanref10]

-Omar Kelly yesterday

http://twitter.com/#!/omarkelly

here is the most targeted Tight Ends last season - fasano not even close to on there. with his drop percentage being under 5% - if was in less to pass protect hed have many more receptions:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/24/fantasy-advanced-targets-tight-end-review/


Here is his contract "NUMBERS" as i said, well out of the "top 5 average" for his position of around 5 million, which is what you claimed he was making. Not every starter on every team is a "franchise player" Fasano is a solid tight end, making solid established starter money - well below the 5 million AVERAGE of the TOP 5 - taken from here - http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3604/anthony-fasano

and finally heres our head coach talking about his catching ability -



and on tight ends in general -




again - people just look at the glitz and reciving numbers of a tight end, and probably play a little too much dream team madden. We are solid at Tight End and fasano is not going anywhere anytime soon in my estimation.

im tired of the way fans buy into the media hype machine. the super duper crazy offense tight end masters - the pats lost the superbowl to the giants who had an average tight end at best. those same giants who beat vernon davis and the 9ers, those same 9ers who beat jimmy graham. we have much bigger problems than paying a solid 4 year starter 3.6 million dollars in the final year of a back-loaded contract. cut me a break.

GTFOH man. what kind of bogus analogy are you turning this into. fasano makes 3.6 million base. and can make up to 4.375 this year. 600k is not "far away from franchise TE money which is 5 million".

We do have much bigger problems than our TE situation. Im not "buying into the hype machine", im not saying we need to go get some great tight end.. im saying it would be a fantastic idea to create cap room by getting rid of 4.375 million dollars worth of average TE.

And while you are pulling up quotes from our head coach, what are you expecting him to say? http://www.sun-sentinel.com/videoga...ns-coach-Joe-Philbin-addresses-his-tight-ends

there he is... i know your quote looked nice and pretty there about fasano... but he was really just going through the motions naming off all of our tight ends.

i totally get your point about how efficient fasano is. believe me i do. But just because he drops less than 5 % of his balls... doesnt negate his mediocre production.

There are plenty of good blocking Tight ends that you can find in this league for less than 4 million dollars, and when your team is rebuilding and flat out tapped out in cap room.... he is the kind of guy you get rid of

 

[Jersey DolFan]

when you franchise a player YOU PAY THEM IN REAL DOLLARS the average of the top 3 or 5 or whatever it is


you "GTFOH" with your crap logic. the cap isnt what hes being paid. IF he reaches that above 4 mil mark its b/c he has reached certain incentives, therefore "PRODUCING"

we are NOT going to build through free agency. so cap room is really irrelevant to an extent here. then again, your a heat fan - they will lose again this year and we'll see how good "individual" production makes a team.

if anyone is wondering why clowns put bags over their heads and stand around outside facilities in florida b/c the team doesnt make "splashes" in fa. just come visit finheaven lol. it will all get clearer.

im dont with this convo now. the amount of people on this board that cant stand the majority of our players if they arent super stars is just INSANE. i think i prefer the jet fan logic of "everyone on our team is a future star" then the dolphin fan logic of "even our stars aren't sh*t and what can we get for trading them? or how much do we save since they should be cut"

hell, even jake long, dansby, reggie bush are despised on this board in some instances and are constantly talked about in reference to "what could we get in a trade" and "how much cap money could we save"

i feel bad for miami dolphins players - i think the best they can do for themselves is get the hell out lol. hopefully we have a good season so you capologists and couch potato GMs can irrationally prasie the team and players just like irrationally bash the team and players now.

 

[Jersey DolFan]

and i saw the interview with philbin. doesnt seem like a "go through the motions" type of guy. flat out said he cant say who the O-line is and that they really need to play much better. adressed positions of need, adressed individual players and their competitions etc. he has said no such things regarding the tight end position.

but just like we were getting manning, just like flynn was ours and philbin WANTED HIM SO BAD, just like we will darft ryan mallet, just like CHAD HENNE will be the next marino. its finheaven crap-logic and bad predictions that never come to fruition in the real world. too funny. clay is a TE full time and we are filling out the backfield and all the sudden clay is the full time starter and the kid who played juco b-ball or whatever is the next "seam threat" the next "jimmy grahm" Brian hartline is going to be traded or CUT, then all the sudden reports surface they want to re-sign and extend the kid and finheaven just doesnt get why?!?!! all the experts on here were sure hartline was sub-par. all the experts here were sure matt moore was the WORST possible FA qb last year - except he was the best of the bunch. Reggie bush was going to get hurt in week 3 and was "not going to be the feature back" thats "d thomas's job" ok?

simple piece of news regarding clay and FB's turns into "sounds like this guy is cut" sounds like more crap.

 

[traptses]

when you franchise a player YOU PAY THEM IN REAL DOLLARS the average of the top 3 or 5 or whatever it is


you "GTFOH" with your crap logic. the cap isnt what hes being paid. IF he reaches that above 4 mil mark its b/c he has reached certain incentives, therefore "PRODUCING"

we are NOT going to build through free agency. so cap room is really irrelevant to an extent here. then again, your a heat fan - they will lose again this year and we'll see how good "individual" production makes a team.

if anyone is wondering why clowns put bags over their heads and stand around outside facilities in florida b/c the team doesnt make "splashes" in fa. just come visit finheaven lol. it will all get clearer.

im dont with this convo now. the amount of people on this board that cant stand the majority of our players if they arent super stars is just INSANE. i think i prefer the jet fan logic of "everyone on our team is a future star" then the dolphin fan logic of "even our stars aren't sh*t and what can we get for trading them? or how much do we save since they should be cut"

hell, even jake long, dansby, reggie bush are despised on this board in some instances and are constantly talked about in reference to "what could we get in a trade" and "how much cap money could we save"

i feel bad for miami dolphins players - i think the best they can do for themselves is get the hell out lol. hopefully we have a good season so you capologists and couch potato GMs can irrationally prasie the team and players just like irrationally bash the team and players now.

This is probably the greatest post I've ever seen on this board. I couldn't agree more

 

[damanref10]

when you franchise a player YOU PAY THEM IN REAL DOLLARS the average of the top 3 or 5 or whatever it is


you "GTFOH" with your crap logic. the cap isnt what hes being paid. IF he reaches that above 4 mil mark its b/c he has reached certain incentives, therefore "PRODUCING"

we are NOT going to build through free agency. so cap room is really irrelevant to an extent here. then again, your a heat fan - they will lose again this year and we'll see how good "individual" production makes a team.

if anyone is wondering why clowns put bags over their heads and stand around outside facilities in florida b/c the team doesnt make "splashes" in fa. just come visit finheaven lol. it will all get clearer.

im dont with this convo now. the amount of people on this board that cant stand the majority of our players if they arent super stars is just INSANE. i think i prefer the jet fan logic of "everyone on our team is a future star" then the dolphin fan logic of "even our stars aren't sh*t and what can we get for trading them? or how much do we save since they should be cut"

hell, even jake long, dansby, reggie bush are despised on this board in some instances and are constantly talked about in reference to "what could we get in a trade" and "how much cap money could we save"

i feel bad for miami dolphins players - i think the best they can do for themselves is get the hell out lol. hopefully we have a good season so you capologists and couch potato GMs can irrationally prasie the team and players just like irrationally bash the team and players now.

so all your ranting and raving about free agency splashes and what not?

i said to free up his cap room to extend Cameron Wake? waht in the world does that have to do with free agency and big time splashes? you are arguing something that has nothing to do with anything. the heat? players being bashed?

what in the world does any of this have to do with Fasano being overpaid on a team that has no money? you are talking about people bashing all the players on this board like im the one leading the army.

you like fasano, great.
you think he is worth millions great.

i dont. big deal?

 

[fairbanksb]

Polite was just sooooooo bad at blocking.. For a FB that is TOP task, and he just couldn't do it..

Okay, I'll take your word for it because I couldn't watch many of the games. I had to watch the play by play on NFL.com. I just know that our running backs had ran for over 1000 yds each season he was here and I know he kept a lot of drives alive by getting that short yardage first down when he was handed the ball. Only 1 fumble in 3 seasons too. I will agree that a blocking fullback is a lot more important in a 1 back system and since Bush had such a good season why did they get rid of Hilliard? Was he a terrible blocker too?

 

[Irishfinfan1]

Okay, I'll take your word for it because I couldn't watch many of the games. I had to watch the play by play on NFL.com. I just know that our running backs had ran for over 1000 yds each season he was here and I know he kept a lot of drives alive by getting that short yardage first down when he was handed the ball. Only 1 fumble in 3 seasons too. I will agree that a blocking fullback is a lot more important in a 1 back system and since Bush had such a good season why did they get rid of Hilliard? Was he a terrible blocker too?

Sorry Jose is right, Polite was useless as a blocker. Imagine our fullback isn't on the roster currently.

 

[fishbanger]

I can safely say as a couch potato GM that I would not have drafted Jamar Fletcher over Jamar Fletcher (my grandma know that too). I would have drafted Anquan Boldin over Moore LB. I would never have drafted Pat White. I would draft playmakers in the 1st 3 rounds instead of other positions and I would include offensive playmakers in the first 3 rounds.

I would take Tannehill #8
Pass rusher 2nd round
WR and CB 3rd round
OG fourth round

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Thats Jamer Fletcher over Drew Brees. My great grandmother knows that too.

 

[luduporcu]

FASANO is a solid all-around TE. In the 2nd half of last season, when PARCELLSBALL was abandonned, FASANO started getting "targets", and all of a sudden, M MOORE's hitting him in stride, 18-20 yards downfield. It had to be DABOLL's influence, and like DABOLL, Coach PHILBIN loves the TE game. FASANO and CLAY have NOTHING to fear...even if MIAMI were to get lucky and be able to draft FLEENER. MASTRUD might even survive, but the rest of MIAMI's TEs definitely DO HAVE a lot to worry about.

I myself am wondering whether or not LES BROWN will even impact the MIAMI TE position. Not because of lack of talent, but something else, and it's this: BROWN, at 6'4"/238, runs a 4.43 "40", has a 39" vertical, good "drills", and looks to be strong as an Ox. He reminds me of a slightly bigger, stronger and FASTER version of the late Mr. BRANDON MARSHALL. He's also "hungry", smart, and focused, and he carries no baggage that I've read about. Do you want to talk "project"? How about this! Groom him as a WR!!! At 4.43, and w/his size, he absolutely is 1/5 second faster than MARSHALL, and a deep threat as well as a "beast". Mismatches??? My sweet Lord!!!