Dolphins' poor start rooted in five years of bad drafts
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dlockz
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well at the time we had Vernon Carey, Ronnnie Brown and joey porter who that season did have 17 sacks. porter is gone as is brown but they were part of the foundation that was there at the time and many people on this board thought they were top players. so in reality at the time Atlanta was no more loaded than us.
dlockz
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I think people on this board convince themself of that to make them feel better about us passing on him .
Lilseb93
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Well many experts called us to WIN the SuperBolwn with Daunte so lets leave them out of this conversation. The only point Im trying to make here, Matt Ryan has not confirmed his status as an NFL quater back yet. There are alot of people PAYING ATTENTION on both side of the fence...
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the dolphins' luck is abysmal. absolutely freaking horrid. we sucked enough to get the second overall pick in the draft in 2005, and there is no "franchise qb" draft eligible that year. alex smith goes first overall (yak), and we are staring at the ronnie browns, braylon edwards, cadillac williams and ced bensons of the world. yes aaron rodgers came out in that draft, but his slide to the packers understates the fact that he was not a consensus "franchise qb" in 2005, and he promptly sat behind one of the all-time-greats and learned his craft for several years. then we go 1-15 in 2007 and get the coveted NUMBER ONE OVERALL pick in the 2008 draft. hey, the lions got matthew stafford when they got number one, the rams got sam bradford when they had number one, the panthers just got cam newton when they had number one, but in 2008 there is AGAIN no "franchise qb" coming out in the draft. most people thought matt ryan was the best qb coming out in the draft, but i don't remember people saying this is the surefire, can't miss, future all-pro, "franchise qb." in my humble opinion, if you aren't sold on a qb being that "franchise qb," you do not draft him number one overall (unless he is still head and shoulders above any other player available). sorry. you go in another direction. based on what i knew then, and what i've seen since, matt ryan was not and is not that "franchise qb." sorry. he's not. he has been a good pro so far in his career, and he is much better than anyone we have had since danny, but no. so there we were staring at chris long, jake long, etc. we pulled the trigger on jake, and he has not disappointed. we have to get the franchise qb soon (perhaps 2012), but man, has our luck been putrid.
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Philip Rivers is widely recognized as a franchise QB and doesn't have super bowl bling on his finger...
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Who says he is? The media? Same media that makes ridiculous commercials about Mark Sanchez even though he has ranked no higher than 27 since being in the league? The media, and especially the pre-game media has 32 top 10 QB's. They have to. That's how they sell their product.
Ryan had 1 good year, and that was last year. But once again, look at the tools he has to work with.
great post overrall! I agree, Even the word putrid understates the whole thing...
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I agree with NBP, this is a very good post, but one think I might add.
We are far from being the only team with "Putrid" luck.
Last time I looked, there might be 10 "Franchise" QB's in the league. That leads to 10 being drafted in the last? 12? 14 years? 12 x 32 teams divided by 10 franchise QB's means ALOT of people have had putrid luck in the draft.....
A little perspective can be very refreshing at times.
To add to that, we actually lucked out when Marino fell to us.......
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i agree. and some people make their own luck (the raiders taking jamarcus purpledrank first overall). my main gripe is that we got screwed in 2005 with what was available, turned right around and got keestered a second time in 2008. once was enough. the lions get matt stafford and donkey kong suh when they suck twice, we get ronnie and jake. that just frosts my *** all to hell, despite danny falling to us with the second to last pick in the 1st in '83. that's 28 years ago already!
Its the repeated agony that hurts... Yes! 26 teams passed on Rodgers, alot of them on Brees too, althoug to be exact we passed on the latter twice, we drafted Pat White who's playing baseball right now FFs... It really sucks basically...
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How about a get real moment,
Nobody on this forum was crying about not drafting Rodgers until last season.
What's with all of the armchair experts coming out now preaching shoulda drafted Rodgers. For the last few years it's been nothing but a Matty Ice and Drew Brees circle jerk on this forum.
So yeah, quit acting like you knew all along that Rodgers was going to be a great QB.
Nobody on this forum was crying about not drafting Rodgers until last season.
What's with all of the armchair experts coming out now preaching shoulda drafted Rodgers. For the last few years it's been nothing but a Matty Ice and Drew Brees circle jerk on this forum.
So yeah, quit acting like you knew all along that Rodgers was going to be a great QB.
The thing about Long over Ryan is that it illustrated this Parcellsian "trenches over playmakers" philosophy that no longer fits in today's NFL. It's the same mentality that got us Phillip Merling, Jared Odrick, Kendall Langford, Shawn Murphy, Koa Misi, and John Jerry, rather than people who can more regularly make plays at impact positions.
Consequently, we're sitting here four years later still with no playmaking tight end, trying to get Reggie Bush to be something he's never been, having traded two 2nd-round picks for a wide receiver who's as unpredictable and unreliable as his personality disorder, and of course, the coup de grace -- no starting-caliber quarterback.
And those are your four, primary playmaking positions in today's NFL. What has the Parcells regime done to fill them? Surely nowhere near enough.
But hey, we dominate in the trenches though, don't we?
Unfortunately not.
There's your main mistake of the Parcells era. We have no playmakers, and we don't dominate in the trenches that have been the focus.
Now, compare that to the Atlanta Falcons, who in 2008 also got a new regime, led by Thomas Dimitroff. Dimitroff signed Michael Turner two months later, drafted Ryan, traded a 2nd-rounder for Tony Gonzalez, and just traded quite a bit to draft Julio Jones.
Atlanta hired an up-and-comer from New England's system, whereas we hired a relic, and it shows on the field. Dimitroff won The Sporting News's "NFL Executive of the Year" in 2010, whereas Bill Parcells is nowhere to be found.
Consequently, we're sitting here four years later still with no playmaking tight end, trying to get Reggie Bush to be something he's never been, having traded two 2nd-round picks for a wide receiver who's as unpredictable and unreliable as his personality disorder, and of course, the coup de grace -- no starting-caliber quarterback.
And those are your four, primary playmaking positions in today's NFL. What has the Parcells regime done to fill them? Surely nowhere near enough.
But hey, we dominate in the trenches though, don't we?
Unfortunately not.
There's your main mistake of the Parcells era. We have no playmakers, and we don't dominate in the trenches that have been the focus.
Now, compare that to the Atlanta Falcons, who in 2008 also got a new regime, led by Thomas Dimitroff. Dimitroff signed Michael Turner two months later, drafted Ryan, traded a 2nd-rounder for Tony Gonzalez, and just traded quite a bit to draft Julio Jones.
Atlanta hired an up-and-comer from New England's system, whereas we hired a relic, and it shows on the field. Dimitroff won The Sporting News's "NFL Executive of the Year" in 2010, whereas Bill Parcells is nowhere to be found.
This almost desperate need some people here have to disparage Ryan is uncomfortable to read. It doesn't make our situation better. It doesn't make Henne better. Matt Ryan is statistically and in terms of team success far superior to just being "serviceable." Not to mention I believe he is being hamstrung by that dunce Mularkey (who has become wildly overrated because of the talent on that offense). There's nothing unlucky about passing on Rodgers, Brees, and Ryan. The Dolphins haven't been unlucky, they've been incompetent and cowardly.