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In my book I'd say Griese wouldn't have been Griese without Czonka and Morris Warfield and the no name Arnsparger defense.Marino would have still been Marino.

1)Marino
2)Griese
3)Tannehill
4)Fiedler - Pennington
 
Fans sure fell in love with the Jets QB Pennington fast. I don't see why he would be on a list of Miami greats, because he had success one year.
 
Finland said:
Fans sure fell in love with the Jets QB Pennington fast. I don't see why he would be on a list of Miami greats, because he had success one year.
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2007 was pretty bad, and even if you look back on 2008 now and say "wow, we just squeaked by a lot of really ****ty teams and then got destroyed in the playoffs" it was still pretty great after 1-15.
 
Finland said:
Fans sure fell in love with the Jets QB Pennington fast. I don't see why he would be on a list of Miami greats, because he had success one year.
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Nothing against Chad, but let's be real. We made the playoffs that year because Tom Brady was hurt for the season and we had an unbelievably easy schedule. We played the NFC West that year when every team in that division was down.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Jay Fiedler was not a good quarterback. He shouldn't be above Chad Pennington.

Also... Bob Griese > Dan Marino. In my book, anyway.
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I disagree, Jay was a good QB that gave his all every sunday...he wasnt great. He won a lot of games for us.
 
The Dolphins defense and Ricky Williams won a lot of games for us.

DolphinDevil28 said:
Nothing against Chad, but let's be real. We made the playoffs that year because Tom Brady was hurt for the season and we had an unbelievably easy schedule. We played the NFC West that year when every team in that division was down.
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Miami 14 vs Jets (9-7) 20
Miami 10 @ Cardinals (9-7) 31
Miami 38 @ New England (11-5) 13
Miami 17 vs San Diego (8-8) 10
Miami 28 @ Houston (8-8) 29
Miami 13 vs Baltimore (11-5) 27
Miami 25 vs Buffalo (7-9) 16
Miami 26 @ Denver (8-8) 17
Miami 21 vs Seattle (4-12) 19
Miami 17 vs Oakland (5-11) 15
Miami 28 vs New England (11-5) 48
Miami 16 @ St. Louis (2-14) 12
Miami 16 @ Buffalo (7-9) 3
Miami 14 vs San Francisco (7-9) 9
Miami 38 vs Kansas City (2-14) 31
Miami 24 @ Jets (9-7) 17

Miami 9 vs Baltimore (11-5) 27 (playoffs)

Split with the Jets and Patriots, who were a combined 20-12.

Take out those two teams from the remainder and you get:

Combined records of teams beaten by Miami: 43-101 (.298 win percentage), average margin of victory in those games: 6.4 points
Combined records of teams that defeated Miami: 28-20 (.583 win percentage), average margin of defeat in those games: 12 points

So yes, we basically squeaked by a historically easy schedule.

I like Chad Pennington and I think he could be a great coach if he ever wants to go that route, but let's not put him on a pedestal. He didn't turn the ball over against ****ty teams. I credit him for that, but let's not act like he was a world beater.
 
Ben Had said:
I disagree, Jay was a good QB that gave his all every sunday...he wasnt great. He won a lot of games for us.
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Jay was a horrible QB that gave his all every sunday... I'd put Ronnie Brown ahead of him.
 
As much as I appreciate Noodle being there opportunistically at the right time to help us orchestrate the greatest 1 yr. turnaround in league history, the surprise and novelty of the Wildcat worked in our favor. Someone a year or two before on one of the jest forums did an in-depth study of Pennington's win ratio vs Top 10 Scoring Defenses in season and the playoffs and if anything, our experience with him was slightly better during season (split with NE, Loss to Ravens 33%) and worse than the sub 29% in the playoffs: (1 and done against the Ravens in humiliating fashion). Plenty of defensive cheating by nimble Ds having no respect for his arm. So that coupled with him being essentially a hired gun, and I'd certainly put Jay (for being a gamer (36-23) reaching the playoffs 3X and winning once) , Stock or maybe even Woodley (44-10-1 80- 82) @#3 before a "one term QB" and "Tannehill with a bullet" zooming up the charts to that spot. As grateful as I am to him, just nowheres enough time, grade and accomplishments for Penny to be in the Top3 Pantheon. .
 
Phindog said:
In my book I'd say Griese wouldn't have been Griese without Czonka and Morris Warfield and the no name Arnsparger defense.Marino would have still been Marino.
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Meanwhile, Griese was a star in college and some of his best NFL years were from 1975-1978, when Csonka and Warfield were gone. Morris was gone after 1975.

Griese certainly took more deep shots in those years. His completion percentage went up, along with his yards per attempt. Lots of local analysts were saying it was a shame Griese was finally in his prime, long after the prime of the team itself had ended. He had particularly impressive seasons in '77 and '78 after the team as a whole flopped in '76, primarily on defense.

In 1973, despite the repeat Super Bowl championship, Griese strangely struggled until the playoffs. He was rusty coming off the limited action in 1972. It may have been his worst season overall other than his rookie year. There was quite a bit of local anxiety about the passing game until the season finale hosting Detroit. Griese threw 4 touchdown passes in that game despite a low number of attempts. At that point the media and fans relaxed, and the offense took off in the playoffs.

There seems to be a tendency for Marino's biggest fans to want to knock or diminish Griese. I can understand it a little bit because I was a huge Griese fan and never cared for Marino. Not Marino himself, but the cupcake style we adopted under him. I loved Marino in 1983 but once we stopped running the ball late in 1984 I knew where we were headed, and never got fooled by that team. It was a complete waste of the next 15 years, as far as I'm concerned.

Morrall for '72 alone deserves to be third on the list at this point. We are defined by that unbeaten season. Rivals want to rip us but they are deflected by that singular accomplishment.
 
Wildbill3 said:
http://www.pageqsports.com/2013/12/ryan-tannehills-rank-on-the-qb-hierarchy/

[h=3]Dolphins QB Hierarchy[/h]1. Dan Marino
2. Bob Griese
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. Jay Fiedler
5. Chad Pennington

You’d rather have Tannehill and his future endeavors than Jay Fiedler in his prime. We’re at that point, right?


He’s shown drastic improvement in the second half of 2013, increasing his QB rating from 80.8 (Games 1 – 8) to 93.9 (Games 9 – 15), with eight touchdowns against two interceptions over his last three games — all victories. This is all the while playing behind a line that should have hospitalized him by Week 4. More protection is found inside a hole-punched condom wrapper.
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agreed on current rankings. Question is, if he wins a SB does that put him above Marino? And Griese? Griese and Marino has to be a toss up I think. Marino was far and away more talented IMO, but no rings. I think Tannehill may be our second most talented QB ever, if he wins a ring I guess he gets first? Hard to believe but it makes sense.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Meanwhile, Griese was a star in college and some of his best NFL years were from 1975-1978, when Csonka and Warfield were gone. Morris was gone after 1975.

Griese certainly took more deep shots in those years. His completion percentage went up, along with his yards per attempt. Lots of local analysts were saying it was a shame Griese was finally in his prime, long after the prime of the team itself had ended. He had particularly impressive seasons in '77 and '78 after the team as a whole flopped in '76, primarily on defense.

In 1973, despite the repeat Super Bowl championship, Griese strangely struggled until the playoffs. He was rusty coming off the limited action in 1972. It may have been his worst season overall other than his rookie year. There was quite a bit of local anxiety about the passing game until the season finale hosting Detroit. Griese threw 4 touchdown passes in that game despite a low number of attempts. At that point the media and fans relaxed, and the offense took off in the playoffs.

There seems to be a tendency for Marino's biggest fans to want to knock or diminish Griese. I can understand it a little bit because I was a huge Griese fan and never cared for Marino. Not Marino himself, but the cupcake style we adopted under him. I loved Marino in 1983 but once we stopped running the ball late in 1984 I knew where we were headed, and never got fooled by that team. It was a complete waste of the next 15 years, as far as I'm concerned.

Morrall for '72 alone deserves to be third on the list at this point. We are defined by that unbeaten season. Rivals want to rip us but they are deflected by that singular accomplishment.
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The lack of a running game had nothing to do with Marino and little to do with the team's failure to win a SB. That failure belongs with the defense. The team scored enough points to win. The defense sucked for more that a decade. Look back at the Dolphins records with and without Arnsparger running the defense.

Don't believe me that the running game woes were not Marino's fault? Find me a single Dolphins RB from 1893 until 1999 that had any success with another team either before or after being a Dolphin. I did the research one time. None of them were any good anywhere they played.
 
Wildbill3 said:
http://www.pageqsports.com/2013/12/ryan-tannehills-rank-on-the-qb-hierarchy/

[h=3]Dolphins QB Hierarchy[/h]1. Dan Marino
2. Bob Griese
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. Jay Fiedler
5. Chad Pennington

You’d rather have Tannehill and his future endeavors than Jay Fiedler in his prime. We’re at that point, right?


He’s shown drastic improvement in the second half of 2013, increasing his QB rating from 80.8 (Games 1 – 8) to 93.9 (Games 9 – 15), with eight touchdowns against two interceptions over his last three games — all victories. This is all the while playing behind a line that should have hospitalized him by Week 4. More protection is found inside a hole-punched condom wrapper.
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Look on the bright side, WildBill -- at least it got you into this world, lol.

LD
 
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