This^^
Guys, he admitted it... It IS his fault.. Was it Wallace's fault in 2012 when RT used to underthrow/overthrow Hartline too??
Except his completion % on long throws to Hartline is quite good.
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Except his completion % on long throws to Hartline is quite good.
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Ya, this offense was routinely running bombs to Brian Hartline. :idk:
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I would count the balls that Hartline had to stop and run back to catch bad throws.... That's just me. There were at least 6 missed tds to Hartline that were ALL RT's fault. Don't get me wrong, I think he is going to be a really good QB eventually, but I don't wear orange and aqua colored glasses. He has some areas that he definitely needs to work on.
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I would love to see Lazor work Wallace into more bubble screens. Speed kills. That's obviously not going to come to fruition if the offensive line doesn't significantly improve.
Doesn't change the fact that Tannehill's completion % on long throws to Hartline is good and was good in both 2012 and 2013. In fact, his completion % on long throws to anyone not named Mike Wallace is good, but hey why let facts cloud a perfectly retarded argument?
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We have one of the game's elite deep ball receivers who Tanny can't seem to connect with worth a damn(even though Big Ben didn't have that kind've problem), but we're supposed to concentrate on Brian Hartline as vindication for Tanny being a good deep ball thrower. Makes complete sense.
Btw, what happened to this huge Tanny/Hartline deep ball connection this year then? They had 2 connections for 84 yards this year on anything over 20 yards. 50 of that came from one pass: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/brian-hartline/splits/638167?q=brian-hartline
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Well obviously Ben Rotliberger was not a good enough qb since the best wr in the nfl Mike Wallce did not easily break the nfl td reception record. I just wish these qb's would quit holding Mike Wallace back
Roethlesberger was already a SB-seasoned veteran with a bonefide running game when Wallace started playing more regularly, not a 2nd year QB with a bottom 10-15% ranked OL (according to Adv NFL Statistics, FootballOutsider and Yahoo) and a schizzoid running game that went from being ranked in '12 as a shoddy #17 to an abysmal #25 in '13. Compare the running game in Pittsburgh in '10 and '11 when Ben was healthy where PBurgh respectively ranked #10 and #11. So between Ben coming into the league as a starter in '04 having 5-6 years experience when Wallace became a factor to a more effective running threat, it's an unfair Tannehill expectation, especially considering who his OC was..
For the sake of objectivity I should state my intent to also include the difference between the Fins '13 OL ranking according to ADvNFL stats and Pittsburgh in '10 and '11, but surprisingly to me there wasn't much difference excepting Ben's mobility ..since both were more or less bottom-of-the-barrel comparable.
The message being: please stop using an experienced Big Ben as an apples to apples comparison to a 2nd year Tannehill who lacks his escapability and had a hard enough time staying upright in the pocket, to make a point because it's not appropriate.
For the sake of objectivity I should state my intent to also include the difference between the Fins '13 OL ranking according to ADvNFL stats and Pittsburgh in '10 and '11, but surprisingly to me there wasn't much difference excepting Ben's mobility ..since both were more or less bottom-of-the-barrel comparable.
The message being: please stop using an experienced Big Ben as an apples to apples comparison to a 2nd year Tannehill who lacks his escapability and had a hard enough time staying upright in the pocket, to make a point because it's not appropriate.
Wallace's numbers in 2013 were nearly identical to his numbers in 2012. Is Tannehill responsible for that too? Wallace is a 1 trick pony. When the defense doesn't have to worry about the running game, they can keep a safety over the top and minimize Wallace's chances. Compare his numbers as his team's rushing performance drops:
2010
376 carries for 1520 yards - Wallace 21 ypc
2011
338 carries for 1407 yards - Wallace 16.6 ypc
2012
317 carries for 1215 yards - Wallace 13.1 ypc
2013
286 carries for 1115 - Wallace 12.7 ypc
If there are any other aspects to the game of football that I can explain to you, let me know.
I think part of the reason Tanny and Wallace never got on the same page, was they didn't have it worked out when he was going to run a fly, when he was going to run with a hitch, when he was going to make a fake or two....that half a second on somebody as fast as Wallace 40 yards downfield can translate into a one or two yard difference. And not knowing what/when he was doing things led Tanny to sometimes underthrow or sometimes overthrow. I'm hoping they can correct it this offseason, because if not...then Wallace was an extremely expensive square peg for a round hole.
And if he can't fix that long ball issue to at least say a 40% completion rate....then I'd have to start wondering if Tanny is the guy for the next decade or not. For the record, I do think they fix this to at least a minimally acceptable level, and I think that improvement along with Lazor's better offense and an improved offensive line.....right now I have the fins winning 10 games if they stay relatively healthy and find a couple of good draft picks and either bring in Finley or bring back Keller.
And if he can't fix that long ball issue to at least say a 40% completion rate....then I'd have to start wondering if Tanny is the guy for the next decade or not. For the record, I do think they fix this to at least a minimally acceptable level, and I think that improvement along with Lazor's better offense and an improved offensive line.....right now I have the fins winning 10 games if they stay relatively healthy and find a couple of good draft picks and either bring in Finley or bring back Keller.