Dolphins rejects Lazor and Coyle are on to Cincinnati
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Watch Dalton will have a career year and the Bengal's secondary will lead the league in picks. Lol.
Usually how it goes for us.
Usually how it goes for us.
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Doubt it. Even guys like Daunte Culpepper, who got a revenge game against us, sucked and were out of the league not long after they left Miami. Dan Carpenter has been shanking extra points up the ass this year. Caleb Sturgis is still garbage. Mike Wallace is in danger of being cut in Minnesota. Tony Sparano was a disaster with the Jets. etc.
Coyle did a good job as DBs coach in Cincinnati before, and he probably will do so again. Bill Lazor got run out of Philly because he was a jerk to his quarterback, and he got run out of Miami for the same reason (also that he was a lousy OC). I highly doubt he's going to get a better year out of Andy Dalton than what Hue Jackson got out of him this year, which was easily the best season Andy's had in his career.
Miami isn't a place where guys come to collect a paycheck for a couple of years before going back to kicking ass somewhere else. Miami is where guys go for their careers to die.
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Tannehill had a career year under Lazor and Foles had one of the best seasons of any QB of all time. Maybe Foles was a bigger part of the issue in them not getting along. Why would Chip want to get rid of both Lazor and Foles in the same offseason after the season they just had together? Its rumor that he was about to part ways with Lazor but we know for a fact that he wanted to part ways with Foles, because he did it.
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Dalton was having his best overall season this season career highs in passer rating, passing percentage, TD to isn't ratio. And I believe the Bengal defensive backfield led the league in picks and were 3rd overall in team interceptions. Not a chance they're better under Coyle and Lazor considering they're replacing Vance and Hue Jackson was a big loss as well for Dalton.
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Foles was the starting quarterback for the Eagles in 2014.
dlockz
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Hiring Lazor as a Qb coach is solid as an oc its awful, same with coyle as a db coach although he wasnt as horrid as people want to make out here.
Its not his fault that the FO solution for our defense this offseason was go all in at DT and skip eveything else
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Surprised Lazor didn't head to San Fran to work under Chip again.
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Coyle did some good things as DC, but he was terrible this year. The fact that Lou Anarumo got better production out of our defense after he lost one of its three best players is really all you need to know.
Ultimately with Sherman, Coyle, Lazor and Joe, it all came down to one simple factor more than anything: communication. When John Harbaugh had locker room troubles in Baltimore, he called a team meeting and let 53 grown ass men stand up and tell him to his face what their beef was, and then he explained what he would and would not do to address their grievances. They then went on to win the Super Bowl. When Joe had beef inside the locker room, he told the guys "Hey, it's not my job to motivate you," and the team promptly went in the tank.
You don't get player mutinies three years in a row when there are good lines of communication and mutual respect. I give Coyle and Lazor both credit for some of the good things they did in Miami, because they did indeed both do some good things. But there were more bad things, and the bad things were pretty glaring. Our owner did the right thing by moving on with a new coach and a new staff; the only mistake that was made was that we waited until 4 games into 2015 to pull the trigger.
Of course, if Gase winds up being a great coach, then it will have been a blessing in disguise, but we're certainly not in that realm of thought yet.
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Agreed, these guys failed partly because they had zero guidance, and because the FO failed to stabilize the weakest units on the team.
The fact that they brought in Al Saunders to be a consultant mid-season tells me that Philbin, who was a "gameplanner" and essentially offensive consultant on GB, wasn't very helpful for Lazor at all. Lazor and Coyle were both making terrible tweaks to their systems, likely due to the terrible weaknesses on the OL and LB/CBs, and Philbin repeated the same line every week "We're going to look at everything" yet basically zero adjustments.
Anarumo and Taylor did marginally better than their predecessors with the same team, but they also had Campbell in charge, not Philbin, and DC wanted changes made and eventually saw them through.
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I don't know that you can blame all of their failures on personnel or on Joe. Coyle was doing some really stupid things at the end, and Lazor's offense probably wouldn't have worked for the 1989 San Francisco 49ers.
Ultimately, they were the ones who were most responsible for their failures. Outside observers absolutely bashed on our coaching staff for running some of the worst schemes in football on both sides of the ball, so you can't even say it's just bitter ranting from the fans.
The garbage flowed downhill, IMO.
Ultimately, they were the ones who were most responsible for their failures. Outside observers absolutely bashed on our coaching staff for running some of the worst schemes in football on both sides of the ball, so you can't even say it's just bitter ranting from the fans.
The garbage flowed downhill, IMO.
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Nah I agree, I said "partly" as in those factors (Joe, FO) played a role, but not that they were the only thing. Lazor was a little dictator this year and it blew up in his face. Coyle I couldn't even tell you. The guy was lost, and the locker-room knew it.
What I meant though is that without real HC guidance, these guys failed and were essentially allowed to continue failing under Joe's watch. Maybe Lazor would have seen the light with his schemes if Joe had any shred of knowledge for him, but all Lazor probably knew was that he was in control of the offense, and he was going to make his little bubble-screen-machine work, Interim-HC's requests be damned.
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Im not defending that we should have not made the move I said they should have all been fired last year but for people to act like all our new assistants are so much better than the old is pure pie in the sky at this point.
joseph had done no more than Coyle had as Defensive backs coach and Clyde Christianson has been so good as an OC that no team has hired him in that position the last 4 years so we shall see.
You cant blame Coyle though for the idiotic roster holes on defense when our front office thinks all we need is a damn DT
Poor Andy.
Bwahahaha! You are definitely not getting enough credit for the reference here. :sidelol:
Coyle is a good hire
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probably wasnt wanted
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probably wasnt wanted