I guess he had a difficult time keeping the weight on after he was dismissed from the team. For his sake, I hope he shows enough to atleast make it to the practice squad.
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I guess he had a difficult time keeping the weight on after he was dismissed from the team. For his sake, I hope he shows enough to atleast make it to the practice squad.
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like having players fight for a spot on this team.more competition the better
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Love the fact that Brock was finally signed. I love what I've seen on tape...This kid could emerge as a good back-up QB for us! As far as the LB; from what has been said, it looks like he needs to hit the weight room and keep his nose clean. With his size, and potential, he may make it to the practice squad.
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Really wish we would've went after TE Colt Lyerla. He is better than Lynch. Packers got a steal.
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McCains only shot is to be stashed on the practice squad while he adds muscle over the next couple years. He is like a freakin beanpole and makes Jason Taylor look like the circus fat man
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McCains only shot is to be stashed on the practice squad while he adds muscle over the next couple years. He is like a freakin beanpole and makes Jason Taylor look like the circus fat man
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thats because there isnt a lot of those type guys. if he ahd enough of them to choose from, he would be 100%.
the average dude, gangsta, knot head or follower make up the greater part of the nfl [and most sports]. if hickey [and other gm's] could fill their roster with character/leadership guys they would.
he actually nabbed an unprecedented amount of leader types [who can actually play] in this draft. this should be considered a GREAT thing and not some sort of thing to be ridiculed as some have been doing on the boards.
" better" than lynch? what kind of TE were the pack looking for? a down the field pass catch specialist [ala charles clay] or were they looking for a blocking, in line TE with catch abilities like we were?
no one ever takes into consideration the scheme or what a team might be looking for at the time. with us, we already have the down field threat with clay. we did not have ONE TE on the roster who can block and that was another part of the 58 o-line last year that was a problem. it had to be addressed.
one of the HUGE reasons our drafts havnt produced over the last dozen or so years is because our gm's were not drafting to the scheme. they would draft a guy and try to push him into a fit. all these teams that always seem to be able to draft well. if some one goes down or leaves via f/a, they always have someone to plug right in [like billichek, the and the pack, etc.... .]. the buffalo bills under marv levy were like that and it infuriated me!!! its not luck or magic. its having a scheme and a plan and drafting to that scheme. the right parts for the job. how many times over the years have we drafted o-line guys and they fail and are let go and they thrived on other teams? this is why. wrong players for the job.
hickey seems to be this kind of guy. this draft was full of guys who not only fit the scheme but filled the GLARING needs we had going in to this draft. hopefully we can draft BPA through the draft in the next couple years as the meat and potato's of the team will be in place and producing.
people have missed on this with hickeys draft. they havnt paid attention to the scheme and why they chose certain players. most of the guys the wanted and raved about were NOT FITS for our scheme and everyone has wrote hickey off as being dumb and passing over guys like moses or giving up the greater portion of our draft to move up for another guy who wouldnt work in our scheme. the top guys everyone ga-ga's over were ALL power scheme players. slow footed, straight ahead meat grinders who were not real athletic and not adept at getting into the second level like the zbs scheme demands.
and with 6 picks, we would have had one guy who wasnt a scheme fit and MAYBE 2 more late round whatevers. AND being short a draft pic or two going into next years draft. trading UP was just not an option and trading down and risking losing the player they had pegged all along and the ONLY tackle left that fit the scheme with any real game wasnt happening either.
all this "yeah, but hickey could have traded with the saints and they didnt do it". all RUMOR!!! No facts!! wanny or ireland would have done exactly what most of the fans wanted and it would have been ANOTHER mass failure in the years of dolphin bad drafts. hickey played this and planed it as he should have. for fit and to the scheme.and having great character guys and team leaders was the icing on the cake. an unseen perk.
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Look, Hickey always gambles on the knucklehead with physical ability. He is all about the measureables when left to his own devices.
When the entire league passed on the 2nd round talented power back, Lagaroutte Blount, it was Hickey's team that scooped him up as an UDFA ... and later let him go because he is a knucklehead. One of Hickey's "great" free agent pickups was the talented knucklehead Carl Nicks who also would have been a round 1 or 2 guy if he had his head on straight ... and Hickey opened up the bank to him in free agency. Hickey actively looks for talented knuckleheads ... and that kind of defined why Tampa Bay always had a roster full of talented athletes but never really became a good team.
I want better for the Dolphins. IMHO, a team can handle one or two knuckleheads if it has the right veteran leadership. If not, stuff like the Jonathan Martin fiasco are ripe to happen.
Take a flyer on McCain? Yeah, maybe, but I'd rather pick and choose a couple that look to be headed in the right direction off the field than simply scoop up every head case with athletic ability.
For example, Colt Lyerla is the most physically impressive TE in this class, but I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole because he is a knucklehead between the ears. Kid has more explosion than Ebro or even the 49ers Vernon Davis, is a freight train with the ball and is very fast at 6'5 and 240 lbs. Still not worth it until we know he is right in the head.
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When the entire league passed on the 2nd round talented power back, Lagaroutte Blount, it was Hickey's team that scooped him up as an UDFA ... and later let him go because he is a knucklehead. One of Hickey's "great" free agent pickups was the talented knucklehead Carl Nicks who also would have been a round 1 or 2 guy if he had his head on straight ... and Hickey opened up the bank to him in free agency. Hickey actively looks for talented knuckleheads ... and that kind of defined why Tampa Bay always had a roster full of talented athletes but never really became a good team.
I want better for the Dolphins. IMHO, a team can handle one or two knuckleheads if it has the right veteran leadership. If not, stuff like the Jonathan Martin fiasco are ripe to happen.
Take a flyer on McCain? Yeah, maybe, but I'd rather pick and choose a couple that look to be headed in the right direction off the field than simply scoop up every head case with athletic ability.
For example, Colt Lyerla is the most physically impressive TE in this class, but I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole because he is a knucklehead between the ears. Kid has more explosion than Ebro or even the 49ers Vernon Davis, is a freight train with the ball and is very fast at 6'5 and 240 lbs. Still not worth it until we know he is right in the head.
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Football is a game for knuckleheads. Many of the great players were once knuckleheads that eventually matured. What you need is a balance of knuckleheads and good leaders. Which is what hickey spent the draft picks on. Those are the guys you want to spend draft picks on, and maybe later in the draft or FA, you take some chances on questionable character guys. That way the pecking order is already set, and hopefully the lower round or UDFA guys follow the vets and high draft picks.
roy_miami
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Its a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Philbin gets killed for wanting Brandon Marshall off the team while some of the same people kill him for not getting Incognito off the team.
As with many things in football - we should just do what Belichick does. Bring them in, give them a chance, and have the conviction to show them the door at the first sign they fall out of line.
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You make a good point about Belichik. But we aren't quite in the same situation yet.
With the weight of a well oiled machine of success behind him and the hardware to prove it, that train is driven by its much decorated and very vocal leader Tom Brady. Like it or not, he commands more respect today than does our young Tannehill.
Belichik has shown he will cut people loose if they don't do exactly what he tells them ... even cornerstone performers and good citizens like Welker. The list of players saying they are sorry and begging Belichik and Brady to take them back is almost as long as the line asking for back stage passes at a Justin Bieber concert (not sure which one I like less, Beiber or Brady).
Our reality is slightly different. We don't have so many players begging to get back in, and they don't see Miami as the unique opportunity like they see New England. So, it's harder for us to get those knuckleheads to toe the line. At least, that's how I see it anyway.
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If I could get a knucklehead like Lawrence Taylor I'd be all over it. The key is motivation. Can you get this knucklehead to play right.
roy_miami
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The funny thing is Incognito is kind of begging to come back. To me that, and a few other things is a sign that the culture is changing. If luck is on our side and we hit on some of our draft picks/free agent signings and somehow manage to win 11 games this season the future is bright.
If you build it they will come.
Most of the draft picks were high character / leadership type guys. Yeah, they need to get some time in the league to build cred, but "veteran leaders" have to start somewhere, and I think that's one of the reasons they were drafted by the Dolphins. Have enough of these guys on your roster, and the team culture you want will develop.
So while you are developing leaders, you also take a low risk flier on knuckleheads with talent.
So while you are developing leaders, you also take a low risk flier on knuckleheads with talent.
There were around 6 guys with character issues. Aiken, two Johnson boys at DT, Fede, Williams, and McCain. That is a relatively high number of guys with checkered pasts. I want to see leadership among the veterans. I mean vocal leadership.