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Don't Cry For Me Argen-Turner (gets 2 years pay)

Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 11m

Philbin fought for fired OL coach to get 2 years pay, team (w/Martin) once pulled infamous cafeteria prank on Philbin

People who tried to side with or support Incognito were not received well by investigators
 
Ross has plenty of cash, paying him avoids legal action
 
He should give back this year's pay.

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Daytona Fin said:
Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 11m

Philbin fought for fired OL coach to get 2 years pay, team (w/Martin) once pulled infamous cafeteria prank on Philbin

People who tried to side with or support Incognito were not received well by investigators
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You mean there was an agenda involved? Shocking.
 
This is the part I was most interested in:
The report said O’Neill laughed when Richie Incognito and fellow offensive lineman Mike Pouncey and John Jerry harassed assistant trainer Naohisa Inoue, who was born in Japan.
He gave the players Japanese-style head bands, which the report said they wore on Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day to taunt him. But sources said that Inoue gave them the head bands on the holiday, which wasn’t made clear in the Wells report. The report makes it seem like the players intentionally brought the head bands in on Pearl Harbor Day to harass the trainer.
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Shows how the Wells Report was a really thorough and unbiased report ;)
 
tl77 said:
This is the part I was most interested in:


Shows how the Wells Report was a really thorough and unbiased report ;)
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Why is it biased, when it's simply retelling the facts as Incognito in fact verified? He regularly taunted him and ordered him around in a demeaning way, such as "give me some water you f**king chink." He said stuff about his mother and his sister. That's not crossing the line??

As far as the headbands go, does it really matter who gave them to the linemen? Wearing them on Pearl Harbor and threatening to harm him in retaliation for the attack, is a choice they made.

I think the impression some of you have, is that Incognito is some kind of harmless frat guy. He's not. He starts out funny and jokey, and then he crosses the line, and starts targeting people. On another team, other than ours which was devoid of leadership who gave a crap, he would have either shut up and brown-nosed whoever was alpha male, or else he would have been shoved through a wall by somebody.
 
HoneyB said:
Why is it biased, when it's simply retelling the facts as Incognito in fact verified? He regularly taunted him and ordered him around in a demeaning way, such as "give me some water you f**king chink." He said stuff about his mother and his sister. That's not crossing the line??

As far as the headbands go, does it really matter who gave them to the linemen? Wearing them on Pearl Harbor and threatening to harm him in retaliation for the attack, is a choice they made.

I think the impression some of you have, is that Incognito is some kind of harmless frat guy. He's not. He starts out funny and jokey, and then he crosses the line, and starts targeting people. On another team, other than ours which was devoid of leadership who gave a crap, he would have either shut up and brown-nosed whoever was alpha male, or else he would have been shoved through a wall by somebody.
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It's biased, I believe, because like the article states: "Several team and league sources told the Palm Beach Post that they believe the Ted Wells report was one-sided and dismissive of anyone who tried to support guard Richie Incognito."

I fully understand your thinking on RI, and I'm not condoning or excusing all his behavior. But to me, this report was conducted with an agenda. Seems like guys on the team and within the league feel the same way as well.
 
I've espoused all along that designating one man and his "helpers" who report to him who happens to have much in common generationally, racially, professionally and educationally with the suspect's parents was a bad idea, cuz despite best intents, either on a consciously visceral or subconscious level, our preformed perceptive sets interpret what we see or learn. :idk: From the get-go I advocated a diverse committee where no one was subservient to anyone else coming from league, legal and other environments. If the findings were consensus-based, I'd readily accept it as unbiased.

However, if true, this speaks volumes:

People who tried to side with or support Incognito were not received well by investigators
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Dolphins512 said:
Hush money.......really?
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Is that large of a severance package seem realistic for a coach exhibiting poor behavior and decision making that lead to embarrassment for the team and may yet cause punitive actions to be taken by the NFL?

It just could be that the complete truth will never be known but whatever it's hopefully over now except for any penalties from the NFL so time to move on.
 
tl77 said:
It's biased, I believe, because like the article states: "Several team and league sources told the Palm Beach Post that they believe the Ted Wells report was one-sided and dismissive of anyone who tried to support guard Richie Incognito."
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"several team and league sources" means they talked to some personnel guy and asked his personal opinion, and he gave it. Or, they may have asked a random player and he gave his opinion. It has no more or less weight than all the other opinions we've heard around the league, which expressed an opposite viewpoint.

And once again, they're talking about the cafeteria prank, saying it was pulled on other people. Look, we've heard enough to know that this had nothing to do with that. So if they're saying, that Wells dismissed people's view if they told him that Martin shouldn't have gotten all worked up in the cafeteria,..they're missing the point. We're past that. Wells was looking for what was really going on, and what seems evident to me, is that a few people didn't want him to dig, they just wanted him to do a superficial investigation and let the whole thing blow over. It's not blowing over, and that's pissing a lot of people off.

Hey..I was one of the people who defended Incognito! But that was when they cherry-picked tweets, and Richie put on his "I'm sorry teacher" face, and said he loved Jonathan and was just being a frat boy. Sorry, we see there was more to it, now. That's why Richie went ballistic and closed his twitter account (then came back, of course).
 
Wells report - It is a simple case of "fitting the cherry picked facts to support the narrative of the desired conclusion".
 
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