Drew Rosenhaus on Tua vs. Burrow

[Rev Kev]

What are the passes that Burrow has trouble with due to his velocity?

When I say trouble I am referring more to which throws has he made, or not made, that in the NFL signal a 2nd/3rd tier QB?

Burtow is a drag root specialist - good luck in the NFL getting that can of time in the pocket

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

Burtow is a drag root specialist - good luck in the NFL getting that can of time in the pocket

You may have missed Burrow moving around in the pocket.

 

[Rev Kev]

You may have missed Burrow moving around in the pocket.

I did not miss anything - I am trying to picture him in the nfl big flipping leap from the sec sorry

This is the hype of Haskins all over again - dudes with meh skills don’t flourish in the NFL

 

[j-off-her-doll]

In the Alabama game it was glaring that Burrow is a smart guy whose confidence is growing all the time, to the point it has reached that prized athletic arrogance I mention occasionally. There is no question he is far beyond Jake Fromm in that category. Fromm is still too much a frantic type who tenses up at the wrong time and only sees the small window in front of him. I'm not sure he'll ever escape that tendency. It is the reason I question his upside and he has had trouble late in pivotal games, or when Georgia is simply less motivated than the opponent. Fromm cannot attain and maintain that swagger little grin like Burrow had so often against Alabama, the one where he's basically saying, "Oh really...you think that's going to trouble me, huh?"

In short, Burrow is an ideal college quarterback. All of his qualities scream that he could have reached this level long ago. He even has magnificent instincts on the read option, far superior to current Russell Wilson, for example. Wilson obviously is nearly a decade earlier but now he is giving the ball far too often instead of taking off. Wilson could have ended that game in regulation and earlier in overtime on Monday against the 49ers if he merely faked and scampered for a vital first down. I'm still astonished that Urban Meyer somehow preferred Little Game Barrett over a young Burrow. That LSU offense last season may not have allowed Burrow to this level. But everything Meyer did at Ohio State and previously was perfectly suited for Burrow. Imagine all the underneath crossing passes into galloping open space, followed by the deft downfield touch pass to a wide open flanker. I'm sure this haunts Urban Meyer more than we know.

We're talking NFL. That's the type of thing Slimm emphasizes frequently. That ideal college quarterback too often simply looked like an ordinary physical specimen against Alabama. I don't know how anyone could watch that game without coming away with that conclusion. Flat footed passes with nothing on them. Yes, the receiver was open and Burrow hit him perfectly. But now you need to project that guy to dropping back on 3rd and 10 against NFL defenses. I'd be scared. High pick scared, anyway. Simply too much likelihood he enters the NFL and becomes a high level backup type.

Unless his arm strength improves the vital 5-10%. That is always the wild card with physically underdeveloped guys like this. I've seen it go both ways. Matt Leonard desperately needed the arm upgrade exiting college and it never happened. With others it has happened. Brady's arm was never great in college, although perfectly fine. Now fast forward to that Super Bowl with the Perfect Season at stake. Brady scared the heck out of me on that desperate final drive when suddenly he's throwing one nearly 75 yards and almost connected with streaking Randy Moss to bail out the game.

Tough call. The game that gives me pause about relegating Burrow is that bowl game against UCF last season. He looked every bit the lethal same in that game as all this season. I wondered why nobody was talking about it. Burrow had three games above 11 YPA during 2018, to go along with the flurry from this season. Trevor Lawrence finally got aboard the 11+ train for the first time a couple of weeks ago.

This is one area where age plays a big factor for me. If a player is older than ideal but has the requisite physical tools and is good, I won't knock them too much. But, if a player is older and requires a significant physical upgrade or significant refinement, I think it's much harder to project growth in either area. A lot of people were really high on Garrett Bolles - freak athlete with some excellent highlights, particularly when pulling in the run game. But, he was either a 24 or 25 y/o rookie, and he was much too light to anchor against NFL pass rushers. Unsurprisingly, he's looked weak/too light since entering the league, and Denver desperately needs a real LT after blowing a 1st on him.

Burrow's arm could improve some, but I definitely wouldn't want to bet my career on it.

 

[hoops]

Fromms upside Drew Brees.

downside less athletic Andy Dalton with better ball placement consistency.

I’m not really interested in the latter.

thats one average athlete. He gets run down in space like a stampede vs sec speed. Speed the nfl is chalk full of.

I don’t love his plan vs pressure especially due to the athlete. Ball better come out.

If you are chasing Drew Brees I’m tellin ya it’s tough. Takes some stones to project.

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

I did not miss anything - I am trying to picture him in the nfl big flipping leap from the sec sorry

This is the hype of Haskins all over again - dudes with meh skills don’t flourish in the NFL

You sound high...

The NFL is a big flipping leap from the SEC? That would be the case for everyone coming out, especially Tua. He won't be behind an o-line full of 4/5 stars while throwing to three 4/5 stars...he will be handing it off to a 4/5 star HB. The hype of HAskins. You don't hardly know what you're saying. Haskins only came about because Burrow broke his thumb. LAst season would have been Burrow throwing all over the place as a Buckeye. To be perfectly honest, Burrow was better than JT Barrett, but Meyer is there to win games, nt develp QB's.

Tua will be a Bengal, and we need to get with it. I'm glad.

 

[DPhinz_DPhinz]

Fromms upside Drew Brees.

downside less athletic Andy Dalton with better ball placement consistency.

I’m not really interested in the latter.

thats one average athlete. He gets run down in space like a stampede vs sec speed. Speed the nfl is chalk full of.

I don’t love his plan vs pressure especially due to the athlete. Ball better come out.

If you are chasing Drew Brees I’m tellin ya it’s tough. Takes some stones to project.

Project Fromm to Josh Rosen...

How does that come out?

 

[hoops]

Bengals could go herbert chasing the physical tools and upside.

fromms got a heck of a test today vs that auburn d at auburn.

 

[PSU Cane]

Fromms upside Drew Brees.

downside less athletic Andy Dalton with better ball placement consistency.

I’m not really interested in the latter.

thats one average athlete. He gets run down in space like a stampede vs sec speed. Speed the nfl is chalk full of.

I don’t love his plan vs pressure especially due to the athlete. Ball better come out.

If you are chasing Drew Brees I’m tellin ya it’s tough. Takes some stones to project.

I was higher on Fromm last year than i am this year. Grant it, i haven't seen much tape on him because i figured the tank was in place so why care about those lower QBs, but the few games i've watch on tv did not wow me. A lot of short, safe checkdown throws and not all of them accurate.

 

[BlueFin]

Last night on WSVN Sports Xtra south Florida TV, Rosenhaus was on as usual and was asked who he would pick first, Tua or Burrow. His answer- Burrow, easily. Feels that he is a special QB, special talent.

I agree... Burrow is my QB1.

 

[BlueFin]

Less than Tom Brady for sure. Not close.

Bit of a question for Drew Brees. But he's a bit of an enigma because velocity on Drew Brees shows up in some of the strangest places.

I don’t consider Brady to have a cannon...I actually see a lot of similarities Brady-Burrow.