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I calculated those manually but just noticed an article with a chart that shows all QBs:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/20/qbs-in-focus-tendencies/
ESPN Article: Ranking 32 NFL QBs by Tier (Need ESPN Insider Help)
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I calculated those manually but just noticed an article with a chart that shows all QBs:
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You have to respect the credentials of the team ESPN put together to do this ranking. However, I have to wonder how much time and effort was put in on all the QB's they ranked. How many games and snaps did they watch on all, which would take a hell of a lot of time to do it justice? How much was based on team stats around the QB, which take little time? How much was based on name recognition, and past play?
Just thinking out loud.
Just thinking out loud.
They don't need to....you're doing a better job of bringing it up first
For the 1 millionth time, he faced pressure near the league average percentage of the time despite getting rid of the ball much sooner than the league average. He also faced pressure more quickly than normal.
Really, this has been addressed many, many times here. The pass blocking sucked.
IMO, all are, in large part, a result of the team that surrounds him. Seattle was also 26th in yards passing and 31st in pass attempts. Wilson did a good job but, quite simply, he was asked to do much less and did it under much better circumstances.
When he carries a team, I'll be willing to put him in tier 1.
He doesn't have to carry his team.....so you are punishing him because he doesn't have to put up big numbers.....Wilson is no worse than a tier 2 QB and to say he will never be a tier 1 is wrong unless they made the same distinction with the other 27 QB......
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A few people tried to claim Tannehill wasn't blitzed often resulting in more defenders covering the pass, which the chart shows isn't true. Wasn't talking about pressure at all.
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i'd be hard pressed to find a qb that faced more "immediate pressure" than ryan tannehill...
No. I'm evaluating his play separately from the success or failure of his team. I'm considering the situation that he plays in as a part of his success.
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You posted a quote about pressure.
So am I. If the Phins had not had one of the best defenses in the league last season, this team wouldve been fortunate to win 2 or 3 games with Tannehill playing QB.
If they had an OL they would have had 12 wins.
While you keep championing a QB who melts under one and done pressure and put up a 4-12 record last season himself:
Likewise, I doubt Matt Ryan would have won more than 5-6 games for the Fins..if that. Consider Football Outsiders had the Falcons OL ranked #24 overall vs the Fins #28, BUT in pass protection, had Atlanta ranked #7 vs Miami @ 30!.
Sure Ryan didn't have Roddy White for 3 games (although over the other 13) and Julio for 11 (although they did have him for 5 games.) Still, Harry Douglas, with that great pass protection picked up the void and became a 1000 yard receiver (do you think Melty could have turned Hartline into one again?), and still had Tony Gonzales's 16 game 859 yards. On the other hand, Tannehill lost Keller for all 16 games, lost Gibson for nearly 10 games, so there's that too - not to mention having to put up with the Joni Martin cluster**** charade.
Beyond that, although the Fins did rush for more yards, it equated out to an average 12 more yards/game. so how signficant is that?
While the Falcons did beat the 8-8 Rams, their other 3 victories were over the 4-12 Tampa Bay, 3-13 Redskins and 6-10 Bills. Very impressive indeed.
To believe that Melty, a guy who even when blessed with an elite supporting cast disappears when the going get stough, 1-3 in NFL playoffs, being shutout once and scoring a cumulative 24 second half points would have fared any better on the Fins than Tannehill, or that Tannehill would not have fared any better under center for the Falcons is either being naive or just a Mattymelt homer! At this point, based on empirical evidence going back to the BC Conference Championship, I don't know that Ryan even possesses the same intestinal fortitude exhibited by Tannehill :idk:
why does he have to carry a team? he has been an incredible success in his role and Ryan has not been in his. They are both still young so things can change but Ryan wasn't asked to do much as a rookie and failed, was asked to do more as a 2nd year player and failed.
Ryan had issues around him both years, it's not all on him but he had a great chance to get a team to the playoffs last year and failed. use all the OL excuses you want but if the QB play was marginally better they easily make it. Wilson stepped up when he had to, Ryan did not.
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Luck won a playoff game this past year. Beat the Chiefs, then lost to the Pats. If we could have won one of those last two games, and snuck into the playoffs, and maybe won one, Ryan might have been a Tier 1. You got to win dude. Who cares about yards man...
Brady still owns the AFC East Dude. Plain and Simple. He is Tier 1. Ryan can't even sniff his crotch yet. Brady played in 2 playoff games last year. The Pats were 12-4. The Dude manages games and wins, with not that much talent around him. He is the real deal.
I enjoy that Russell Wilson is rated low. The happy adjuster mindset needs a prominent role. I cashed three tickets on Seattle in last year's playoffs. If Wilson were evaluated correctly, those power ratings and therefore odds would have been several points higher and the results would change. I've thinking of the Saints game specifically. That opened at -7.5 and Seattle won by 8.
The evaluation of Tannehill is fair. The person quoted chose the wrong areas to focus on, but his bottom line is accurate at this point.
Tannehill has a chance to bloom but as I've emphasized many times I don't like his background and how it translates to what his ceiling is. With that type of unusual resume you should be rewarded for taking a chance on a mid round pick. I don't want to be happy adjusting with a quarterback picked in the #8 spot.
I'm not a huge Marino fan considering how we senselessly transformed into a cupcake team throughout his tenure, but that type of selection is the type of thing I prioritize. Marino was touted for greatness throughout his college career. His late pass to defeat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl was instant legend. The networks changed the season opener against North Carolina during his final season to a weeknight game in prime time. That was rare in that era. Yet somehow Marino fell out of favor to the point the happy adjusters wanted no part of him and he was available with the second to last pick in the first round. Our recent front office types don't embrace anything similar. We're right at the forefront of taking a guy at #8 who was never rated in that neighborhood during the season itself, or trading up to take a guy at #3 who played a low number of snaps in college and was hardly a star, or stubbornly taking a lineman at #19 who was often mocked to us in the second round.
When you consistently do the wrong thing the penalty should be moderate, enough to overcome it on occasion. But for whatever reason it doesn't seem to play out that way. The low percentage moves invariably flop.
The evaluation of Tannehill is fair. The person quoted chose the wrong areas to focus on, but his bottom line is accurate at this point.
Tannehill has a chance to bloom but as I've emphasized many times I don't like his background and how it translates to what his ceiling is. With that type of unusual resume you should be rewarded for taking a chance on a mid round pick. I don't want to be happy adjusting with a quarterback picked in the #8 spot.
I'm not a huge Marino fan considering how we senselessly transformed into a cupcake team throughout his tenure, but that type of selection is the type of thing I prioritize. Marino was touted for greatness throughout his college career. His late pass to defeat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl was instant legend. The networks changed the season opener against North Carolina during his final season to a weeknight game in prime time. That was rare in that era. Yet somehow Marino fell out of favor to the point the happy adjusters wanted no part of him and he was available with the second to last pick in the first round. Our recent front office types don't embrace anything similar. We're right at the forefront of taking a guy at #8 who was never rated in that neighborhood during the season itself, or trading up to take a guy at #3 who played a low number of snaps in college and was hardly a star, or stubbornly taking a lineman at #19 who was often mocked to us in the second round.
When you consistently do the wrong thing the penalty should be moderate, enough to overcome it on occasion. But for whatever reason it doesn't seem to play out that way. The low percentage moves invariably flop.