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ESPN Cold Pizza: Fins Zeroing in on Ginn

I wouldn't mind Ginn as long as we traded down. Maybe trade with Pittsburgh down to #15. But only if there's no way we can get Brady Quinn.
 
jim1 said:
Fair enough. I re-read the first post in question, and I think that I read it from too much of a negative light after reading a bunch of the annoying posts that preceded it and followed it. Drinks in Ft. Lauderdale or England anytime, cheers.
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:goodpost: :up: :drinkers: I dont fall out with any Fin fans. Its my golden rule Jim1. I just dont like it when they dont know my agenda. Drinks are on me mate. Lets hope we get a player who can contribute immediately and make a difference. :up:
 
miamiron said:
Maybe you can show me a video of Ginn scoring from the red zone(something this team is in desperate need of)...

NO

Just show me a vid of someone throwing him a pass in the red zone since
it was only done 6 times in 3 years (37 games) while at Ohio.Seems to me Ohio knew something about Ginns (lack of) playmaking ability in the red zone.

If you want a one dimensional player outstanding return man,as a wide receiver he needs ALOT of work...doesn't mean that in the future his route running will be more than "JUST GO AS FAST AND AS FAR AS YOU CAN AND I
WILL THROW IT IN THE VACINITY"

All seriousness here why was he not utilized more than 6 times in 3 years
Now these are passes not touchdowns...THIS IS A HUGE RED FLAG....

That your team would only throw to you 6 times in the red zone in 3 years
when your the teams so called #1 playmaker(outside the red zone)

Do you people realize we are very poor with our wideouts inside the red zone
and with the addition of Ginn if past performance is an indication of future performance then we are in trouble.

If Ohio was scared to throw to Ginn in the red zone for whatever reason(one I would love to know for sure)How do you think he will do in the red zone with his routes and seperation playing against much higher quality DBs.

I think with practice and determination Ginn could improve as a wideout but for now All the Ginn lovers should be asking themselves,"WHY DID THEY ONLY THROW HIS WAY 6 TIMES IN 3 YEARS WITH IN THE RED ZONE"
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I don't have the video but they showed in on ESPN Sportscenter yesterday when they are talking about the WRs in the draft and they showed Ginn catching an out or comeback pass in the end zone.

BTW, has it ever occured to you that one of the reasons Ginn, Jr wasn't thrown to very often in the red zone was because of coverage? If you had a choice to double Ginn or Gonzalez, which one would you double? Also, Ohio State is a run first offense and they preferred to pound the ball in the red zone than throw it.

I cannot tell you why he was only thrown to so many times in his career at Ohio State because I don't follow them that closely. I only get to see them maybe 3-4 times a year and in most of those games Ginn and some of the other starters are sitting the bench in the 4th quarter.
 
End zone passes? Most offenses' throw it to the tallest guy:Jump ball; go get it.

Ginns just a tad short to be a power forward.
 
I definitely DO NOT want us to draft Ginn! I believe there are FAR BETTER choices to fill other holes we have. I think it would be a bad pick for us, I really do.
 
Geforce said:
We've met with Stanton 4 times? I think we met with Quinn 5 times and now Ginn, Jr 4 times but I didn't know we met with Stanton that many times.

I guess if we cannot get Quinn then Stanton just may be our target in the 2nd round, if he's there.
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wehre did that info come from? first ive heard of.
 
mcteems said:
Ginn Jr. is a freak of nature. And he has football skills. Now that Welker is gone, Ginn Jr. would be the replacement that many have been begging for - a speedy return guy. He could easily share time with Hagan at WR this season, and Booker would be gone in 2008. Ginn Jr. would give the offense an IMMEDIATE playmaking boost.
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YUP!!! If people liked what Welker could do both as a WR and in the return game then they would absolutely LOVE Ginn. Ginn is Welker on speedX10..... the guy is amazing, and NO it's not just that he runs fast but he also has Excellent Ballance, very shifty(he can change directions in the blink of an eye), he breaks more tackles than expected, and he actually has pretty good hands. Ted Ginn Jr. is not being called the Deion Sanders of offense for nothing people, the guy is a playmaker!!! Now with all that said...... would I take Ginn??? NO, I would do whatever it takes to get Brady Quinn so we can once and for all solve this QB problem, but if we cannot land Quinn then I'd still be very very happy with Ginn making plays for us.
 
jim1 said:
Just on, 10:30 ET. Said they're looking to possibly trade down and get him, or just pick him outright. Probably the latter with the Ram's Linehan breathing heavy. They also mentioned the Chambers factor, he'd be thrilled with Ginn.
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Trade down to get Ginn??? :sidelol: Cold Pizza is smoking the same thing Ricky is.
 
IrishFinatic said:
That would be a wasted pick. I won't say Ginn is the most overrated player in the draft but when he makes a tough catch, call me.
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I agree. The most overrated player in the draft is Quinn.
 
Roman529 said:
Trade down to get Ginn??? :sidelol: Cold Pizza is smoking the same thing Ricky is.
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Yes- trade down, get an extra draft pick, and pick up Ginn somewhere later in the 1st. What's the mystery? I don't understand your post.
 
miamiron said:
Maybe you can show me a video of Ginn scoring from the red zone(something this team is in desperate need of)...

NO

Just show me a vid of someone throwing him a pass in the red zone since
it was only done 6 times in 3 years (37 games) while at Ohio.Seems to me Ohio knew something about Ginns (lack of) playmaking ability in the red zone.

If you want a one dimensional player outstanding return man,as a wide receiver he needs ALOT of work...doesn't mean that in the future his route running will be more than "JUST GO AS FAST AND AS FAR AS YOU CAN AND I
WILL THROW IT IN THE VACINITY"

All seriousness here why was he not utilized more than 6 times in 3 years
Now these are passes not touchdowns...THIS IS A HUGE RED FLAG....

That your team would only throw to you 6 times in the red zone in 3 years
when your the teams so called #1 playmaker(outside the red zone)

Do you people realize we are very poor with our wideouts inside the red zone
and with the addition of Ginn if past performance is an indication of future performance then we are in trouble.

If Ohio was scared to throw to Ginn in the red zone for whatever reason(one I would love to know for sure)How do you think he will do in the red zone with his routes and seperation playing against much higher quality DBs.

I think with practice and determination Ginn could improve as a wideout but for now All the Ginn lovers should be asking themselves,"WHY DID THEY ONLY THROW HIS WAY 6 TIMES IN 3 YEARS WITH IN THE RED ZONE"
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Everytime someone mentions ginn you say this, we get it they only threw it to him 6 times in 3 years. But what you fail to mention is that when ohio state gets into the red zone they run the football down your throat and when they do pass they have anthony gonzolez whos more of a possesion receiver and red zone threat. Ginn stretches the field, which if theres only 10 yds left, he can't do. and if you think our receivers are only bad in the red zone, reggie brown of the eagles had more plays of 20+ yards last year than our entire roster
 
Geforce said:
I don't have the video but they showed in on ESPN Sportscenter yesterday when they are talking about the WRs in the draft and they showed Ginn catching an out or comeback pass in the end zone.

BTW, has it ever occured to you that one of the reasons Ginn, Jr wasn't thrown to very often in the red zone was because of coverage? If you had a choice to double Ginn or Gonzalez, which one would you double? Also, Ohio State is a run first offense and they preferred to pound the ball in the red zone than throw it.

I cannot tell you why he was only thrown to so many times in his career at Ohio State because I don't follow them that closely. I only get to see them maybe 3-4 times a year and in most of those games Ginn and some of the other starters are sitting the bench in the 4th quarter.
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Even though you didn't put to rest my concern regarding Ginn's lack of red zone production I have to THANK you for a reply ...the first I have received
since speaking about Ginn only being thrown to 6 times in 3 years with in the red zone.

I still see red flags abound when learning about this very telling stat. I know you having considerable football knowledge and must be asking yourself...WHY?

Any other opinions would be greatly appreciated to Ginn's lack of production in 3 years in college.

Thanks
 
JT#1 said:
Everytime someone mentions ginn you say this, we get it they only threw it to him 6 times in 3 years. But what you fail to mention is that when ohio state gets into the red zone they run the football down your throat and when they do pass they have anthony gonzolez whos more of a possesion receiver and red zone threat. Ginn stretches the field, which if theres only 10 yds left, he can't do. and if you think our receivers are only bad in the red zone, reggie brown of the eagles had more plays of 20+ yards last year than our entire roster
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The red zone is more than 10 yards ...I thought you would have known that basic rule.

And if you go back to my post and re-read it you will find that I never said our receivers were ONLY bad in the red zone...I said our receivers are very poor in the red zone and I did not elaborate on there other short commings
(another mistake with your reading comprehension)

Last but not least if all ohio did was run and pass to Gonzo while in the red zone I'm surprised they had such success being so predictable.

In closing I still think we need red zone production and this is something no one can deny but Ginn shows me no solution to our red zone needs or any red zone needs for that fact.Who will be our red zone threat this year?
 
Ginn has a wiry build with a lean frame,split high with long legs,lacking the bulk or strength to consistantly beat press coverage...Plays with suddeness,
but lacks the lateral agility to come out of his breaks cleanly and needs to improve his footwork;especially stop and go action.

Instinctive returner,but needs to vary his speed when running routes.
While he is explosive in the open field,his concentration tends to be inconsistent as he hears the sounds of defenders footsteps working over the middle.

Must do a better job securing the ballon receptions before turning upfield.
Lacks the strength to power his way through the pressand needs to be more active with his hands on release.Must be more alert working underneath.

Moves well left and right ,but shows only adequate hip snap on lateral moves.Sometimes hi speed gets him into trouble he may miss cuts or look sloppy trying to plant and drive.His cuts look choppy and he looks tight in his hips making body turns.

Looks to stiff in his hips when moving laterally,so he is not a great multi-cut
runner.Not much of a red zone threat;He had only 6 passes thrown to him
in that area through 37 games.

Ginn appears to be a quality return specialist who can contribute some as a receiver rather than a receiver who can contribute as a return specialist.
He is effective on quick slants and screens but with his lack of strength
and inability to defeat the press,he will struggle to get a clean release
and into his routes at the next level.

He seems hesitant to go over the middle as a receiver and tends to lose concentration when he hears defenders footsteps.Still he is an electrifying
return specialist.Just don't ask Ginn torun lateral routes into a crowd.

thanks to nfl.com
 
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