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explain to me why you would want anyone to coach this team over Bill cowher?

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Lets look at the facts.

Bill Cowher was a coach for 15 years.
His team went to the playoffs 10 of he 15 years
His team won their division 8 of those 10 years
His team won 12 playoff games vs 9 losses
one of the years he was 2nd in the division he won the superbowl.
His total record was 149-90 62%

Lets look at jon gruden
He was a head coach for 11 years
His teams went to the playoffs 5 times
Each of those 5 playoff appearances was a 1st place in the division (no wild card)
His teams won 5 Playoff games and they did not win won after his superbowl
His total record was 95-81 54%

Some people have said Lovie smith so Lets look at Lovie Smith
He has been a head coach for the last 9 years
His teams have gone to the playoffs 3 times
Those 3 playoff appearences were because they won the division (no wild card)
His teams have won 3 playoff games (no superbowl win)
His total record is 81-63 56%

I know who I want, but anyone else want to play this game???
 
Because they have zero interest. What big name would want to coach here? There is so much perpetual dysfunction, Ross would have to guarantee Cowher a ton of control for him to come here.

You couldn't get Jeff Fischer to coach here and Ross trailed Harbaugh like a lost puppy and couldn't get him to come here.
 
He is old news and I think lost his passion to coach.
 
BGtoKNfor6 said:
Because they have zero interest. What big name would want to coach here? There is so much perpetual dysfunction, Ross would have to guarantee Cowher a ton of control for him to come here.

You couldn't get Jeff Fischer to coach here and Ross trailed Harbaugh like a lost puppy and couldn't get him to come here.
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look at my numbers, now look at jeff Fisher, why would you want him to coach your team?
He has been a head coach for 19 years
His teams have gone to the playoffs 6 times out of 19 seasons (31% playoff appearance, we might as well have kept morono)...you really use him as an example of a good coach?
His teams have won 5 games in the post season...he was a yard away from a superbowl win but a loss is a loss
His record is 155-136...If your happy with 53% win record, okay

the point of this is HE HAS NEVER PROVEN HIMSELF TO be a coach that wins or gets you to where is matters, the playoffs...

don't use fisher, he sucks worse than morono, he just has an owner who was stupid enough to keep him for 17 years...
 
And...how many years did he try to make it work with Kordell Stewart?
 
Dmarino110 said:
look at my numbers, now look at jeff Fisher, why would you want him to coach your team?
He has been a head coach for 19 years
His teams have gone to the playoffs 6 times out of 19 seasons (31% playoff appearance, we might as well have kept morono)...you really use him as an example of a good coach?
His teams have won 5 games in the post season...he was a yard away from a superbowl win but a loss is a loss
His record is 155-136...If your happy with 53% win record, okay

the point of this is HE HAS NEVER PROVEN HIMSELF TO be a coach that wins or gets you to where is matters, the playoffs...

don't use fisher, he sucks worse than morono, he just has an owner who was stupid enough to keep him for 17 years...
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What is more telling is when a coach chooses the ****ing rams over the dolphins. Coaches are CHOOSING OTHER TEAMS WHEN AN OWNER WOULD PAY THEM OUT THE ASS. What does that say?

There is something to be said when Joe Philbin is named head coach when there were plenty of experienced head coaches on the sidelines who avoided miami like the plague. Same for free agents over the past decade or so.
 
We could do worse than Bill Cowher but we could also do better.

At this point he'd be a Parcells type mercenary just here for the paycheck.
 
6 years with stewart, but I think you would deal with him if he got you the playoffs 3 times with stewart...also remember that stewart helped them get to the AFC championship game in 2001...when was the last time we got to the afc champ game?

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remember, if you have a coach you want, post his numbers...it works better than saying, blah blah blah opinions blah blah...show me numbers...
 
Dmarino110 said:
Lets look at the facts.

Bill Cowher was a coach for 15 years.
His team went to the playoffs 10 of he 15 years
His team won their division 8 of those 10 years
His team won 12 playoff games vs 9 losses
one of the years he was 2nd in the division he won the superbowl.
His total record was 149-90 62%

Lets look at jon gruden
He was a head coach for 11 years
His teams went to the playoffs 5 times
Each of those 5 playoff appearances was a 1st place in the division (no wild card)
His teams won 5 Playoff games and they did not win won after his superbowl
His total record was 95-81 54%

Some people have said Lovie smith so Lets look at Lovie Smith
He has been a head coach for the last 9 years
His teams have gone to the playoffs 3 times
Those 3 playoff appearences were because they won the division (no wild card)
His teams have won 3 playoff games (no superbowl win)
His total record is 81-63 56%

I know who I want, but anyone else want to play this game???
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Took him fourteen years to win the Super Bowl. He would never had made it that long had he been here. Our fans call for a coaches head after two seasons if they don't win the Super Bowl.
 
Basically, the Steelers had the good fortune of being able to beat up on a second-rate division. Pittsburgh's Bill Cowher had an inability to beat high quality teams in the postseason Pittsburgh failed to win in the postseason because: 1) its weak regular-season competition gave the Steelers a false sense of superiority, and 2) Cowher hijacked his team's hopes with his stubborn insistence on sticking with his well-proven formula for failure (Smash Mouth Football). It's a formula that once worked – back in the NFL Stone Age.
Pittsburgh had 11 playoff seasons (including ten division winners) during a period in which its division has routinely been among the very worst in football. In the 10 seasons from 1992 to 2001, when Pittsburgh played in the old AFC Central, its division rivals combined for a mere 10 postseason appearances.

Only two teams competed against Pittsburgh from 1992 to 2001 in the old AFC Central and then again for all three years of the realigned AFC North (which was created in 2002): the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens and Cincinnati Bengals. Cincinnati has fielded one winning team in the Cowher Era. These two franchises over this 13-year period have combined for just five winning seasons and four postseason appearances. The new Cleveland franchise, meanwhile, rejoined the AFC Central in 1999 and moved to the AFC North with Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Baltimore in 2002. The Ravens fielded just one playoff team from 1999-2005.
This means that Cincinnati, Cleveland and Baltimore have a combined 32 seasons worth of competing against Pittsburgh in the Cowher Era (13 each for Cincy and Cleveland/Baltimore, and six for Cleveland). Given these 32 opportunities, these three franchises – Pittsburgh's chief rivals in the Cowher era – have combined for just six winning seasons and five postseason appearances.
Almost all of Pittsburgh's playoff success has come against borderline playoff teams. In the Cowher Era postseason, Pittsburgh is:
4-7 against division winners
7-2 against wild-card teams
3-9 against teams that went 11-5 or better in the regular season
8-0 against teams that went 10-6 or 9-7 in the regular season
Until their Super Bowl winning year,under Cowher, the Steelers had NEVER won a playoff game against a team that won its division and had a record of 11-5 or better.

That's why I don't want Cowher. The game has surely passed him by, if it didn't while he was still coaching.
 
Do. Not. Want. Is it the limit of the average fan's imagination to try and resell yesterday's greatness? Cowher has been out of coaching for seven-years. He is irrelevant to today's game. When he was coaching the Steelers, he was one of the best, if not they best coach in the NFL consistently and most of his coaching was done without anything approaching a franchise quarterback, people forget that. He wasn't Belichick with Brady, or Walsh with Montana or Young, he wasn't even Parcells with Phil Simms. This guy was going to conference championship games consistently with Kordell Stewart, Neil O'Donnell and Mike Tomczak as his quarterbacks. That's impressive, it's also no longer relevant. If it needs to be said again, let me say it, retread coaches who have won Super Bowls elsewhere do not win them with new teams. Mike Shanahan is on the verge of getting axed for essentially stealing money from the Redskins, he couldn't recapture his Denver magic because the organization he went to is not the same, he's not the same, the game is not the same.

I give Cowher all the credit in the world for what he did throughout his career, I think some people underestimate his greatness, but he'd be just another PR stunt for this team, another star****er hire that could very well turn out like Parcells or Shanahan. Owners often forget that coaching success is often a perfect storm of factors that coincide at one magical moment. Cowher, even if he possessed the passion and the competence at this point of his career, is he bringing a Bruce Arians and Dick LeBeau with him? Is he bringing a Kevin Colbert and that front office with him? Cowher always enjoyed superior coaching staffs and arguably one of the 2 or 3 best front offices in the NFL consistently. They would lose player after player to free agency and just maintain their level of excellence. That isn't happening here. This ownership doesn't have the credibility. If you couldn't pull a Jeff Fisher, whose only option was the talentless Rams, then you are not as high up the desirability scale as some of us may wish to believe.

This organization isn't what it used to be. The perception of this organization in the popular consciousness isn't what it used to be. There was the whiff of greatness about this team even long after it had actually won anything, but that's gone now. We appear more like the Saints, Falcons or Bucs of the 70s, 80s and 90s, just dysfunctional losers with imbecilic ownership. If this team ever rises from its self-induced coma, it will be because we get lucky hiring a dynamic GM and equally brilliant coach, that's the only way it happens and we're seeing how hard that is to do.
 
Dmarino110 said:
6 years with stewart, but I think you would deal with him if he got you the playoffs 3 times with stewart...also remember that stewart helped them get to the AFC championship game in 2001...when was the last time we got to the afc champ game?

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remember, if you have a coach you want, post his numbers...it works better than saying, blah blah blah opinions blah blah...show me numbers...
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Dig a little deeper into those numbers ,and you'll see they ain't worth a s**t.
 
Alex Trevelyan said:
Do. Not. Want. Is it the limit of the average fan's imagination to try and resell yesterday's greatness? Cowher has been out of coaching for seven-years. He is irrelevant to today's game. When he was coaching the Steelers, he was one of the best, if not they best coach in the NFL consistently and most of his coaching was done without anything approaching a franchise quarterback, people forget that. He wasn't Belichick with Brady, or Walsh with Montana or Young, he wasn't even Parcells with Phil Simms. This guy was going to conference championship games consistently with Kordell Stewart, Neil O'Donnell and Mike Tomczak as his quarterbacks. That's impressive, it's also no longer relevant. If it needs to be said again, let me say it, retread coaches who have won Super Bowls elsewhere do not win them with new teams. Mike Shanahan is on the verge of getting axed for essentially stealing money from the Redskins, he couldn't recapture his Denver magic because the organization he went to is not the same, he's not the same, the game is not the same.

I give Cowher all the credit in the world for what he did throughout his career, I think some people underestimate his greatness, but he'd be just another PR stunt for this team, another star****er hire that could very well turn out like Parcells or Shanahan. Owners often forget that coaching success is often a perfect storm of factors that coincide at one magical moment. Cowher, even if he possessed the passion and the competence at this point of his career, is he bringing a Bruce Arians and Dick LeBeau with him? Is he bringing a Kevin Colbert and that front office with him? Cowher always enjoyed superior coaching staffs and arguably one of the 2 or 3 best front offices in the NFL consistently. They would lose player after player to free agency and just maintain their level of excellence. That isn't happening here. This ownership doesn't have the credibility. If you couldn't pull a Jeff Fisher, whose only option was the talentless Rams, then you are not as high up the desirability scale as some of us may wish to believe.

This organization isn't what it used to be. The perception of this organization in the popular consciousness isn't what it used to be. There was the whiff of greatness about this team even long after it had actually won anything, but that's gone now. We appear more like the Saints, Falcons or Bucs of the 70s, 80s and 90s, just dysfunctional losers with imbecilic ownership. If this team ever rises from its self-induced coma, it will be because we get lucky hiring a dynamic GM and equally brilliant coach, that's the only way it happens and we're seeing how hard that is to do.
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Cowher did it against a consistently weak division. He ran the ball well and had good defenses, no secret formula there. Ball controll worked back then....He was a good coach, but not really as good as he looked on the surface.
 
oh boy here we go with the cowher and gruden obsession. happens with every team every year. enough already.
 
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