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FA offensive linemen who fit a zone blocking scheme (w/PFF grades)

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So I obviously have no idea what Dennis Hickey plans to do with the roster or what his plans are. For all I know he's raping his pets right now, as you read this.

Nevertheless it appears that in the short term at least the Dolphins are going to remain a zone blocking team, or at minimum we're going to remain a team that tries to zone block the way that Shaq tried to hit free throws. Even if Jim Turner gets fired -- and it seems pretty clear he will -- the guy we hired to replace him just spent the last 10 years as the offensive line coach for the best zone blocking team in the league: the Texans.

With that in mind, who is out there who fits a zone blocking scheme? I go into this figuring that we need four new starters. If a guy like Tyson Clabo or Bryant McKinnie or John Jerry is brought back, then it should be only as a last resort... and by last resort I mean that if you show up for a game on a day where any of those guys are starting the Dolphins should agree to knock down the price of beer by two dollars.

Note: this isn't about guys out there in the draft. Those discussions are being held in the draft forum by more qualified minds than mine. This is about FAs only. And I'm not going to talk about every guy, just the guys I think we should be targeting based on their performance and scheme fit.

Note 2: I fully recognize all of PFF's myriad faults. The grades are merely provided as a contextual starting point, nothing more.

Tackle (top targets):

Anthony Collins (28 years old) (2013 PFF grade: +14)

--Collins has been a backup most of his career before finally getting his shot at significant time this year thanks to an injury to longtime stalwart Bengals left tackle Andrew Whitworth. He profiles as a talented, athletic left tackle who specializes as a pass blocker. The obvious negative with Collins is that he's never been a full time starter. However, he's had a positive grade in every season in which he's appeared. Would he be a case of buying high on a spot player or getting a guy who should be a starter for less than top flight starter money? It's highly unlikely Collins will get a franchise tag, however he could be subject to a relatively high tender.

Jared Veldheer (26 years old) (2012 PFF grade: -5.5)
--Veldheer had an injury plagued 2012 that led to a vastly below average 2013 for him. In 2012 he graded out as a +22.2. Veldheer is abnormally tall for a left tackle -- six foot eight -- and heavier than your average ZBS lineman, some 322 pounds. But he has a thin build and great athleticism for his height. The bad news? The Raiders appear likely to franchise him. If they don't, however, he's a top performer who's just reaching his prime years.

Depth/fringe starter types:


Ryan Harris (28 years old... turns 29 in March) (2013 PFF grade: -5.3)
--A classic NFL journeyman, Harris has bounced around a bit in his six year career but found a home the last two years in Houston's zone blocking scheme. Harris had sub-mediocre 2013 but scored a solid +6.3 grade from PFF in 2012. Signficantly, he played under John Benton, the Texans' former offensive line coach who's current our assistant offensive line coach.

Mike Otto (30 years old) (2013 PFF grade: -5.8)
--The son of Raiders HOF offensive lineman Jim Otto, Mike Otto has spent his entiree career with the Titans. Despite a terrible 2013 grade -- due almost entirely to a horrific performance against the St. Louis Rams -- Otto has been a solid if unspectacular bench player during his career. In 2012 he registered a +3.9 grade in 275 snaps. Like Harris, Otto is a comparable performer to Nate Garner, except he's a ZBS fit, which Garner -- like McKinnie and Clabo -- isn't.

Other: most of the conversation this offseason will be about Brandon Albert and Eugene Monroe, the two former UVA teammates (note: Bill Lazor coached at UVA, but arrived the year after Monroe left and coached neither player, however he is likely to have a lot of information about them). Albert it seems will test the free agent market and go to the highest bidder. However, he'll turn 30 during the 2014 season, always a red flag for a top dollar acquisition. I tend to doubt Eugene Monroe will actually hit free agency but if he does he's probably the most underrated offensive tackle in the league, though he's a better fit in a power scheme than a zone scheme, imo. Other guys to look out for include Rodger Saffold (talented but with a long injury history).

Interior linemen (top targets):

Alex Mack (28 years old) (2013 PFF grade: +17.8)
--Perhaps the top offensive lineman available in free agency, Mack has been a stalwart every year he's been in the league. Best known as a center, he can also play guard, though I would sign him as a center and move Pouncey -- who's status is still up in the air thanks to his legal issues -- to guard. However, the Browns have a good bit more cap space than the Dolphins and would appear likely to franchise Mack if negotiations stall before free agency begins.

Zane Beadles (27 years old) (2013 PFF grade: -2.5)
--PFF wasn't thrilled with Beadles' work in 2013, but he graded out as +11.2 in 2012. Beadles is a very solid NFL left guard who's above average as a run blocker and a pass blocker. He lifts no one's skirt up and -- unlike Mack -- won't command skirt-lifting prices, but he's a rock of a left guard. I think he's unlikely to be franchise tagged. The Broncos will be targeting another run to the Super Bowl next year and might make an effort to keep him, but Denver is a team that will be facing salary cap issues very soon and might bow out of the Beadles sweepstakes.

Mike Pollack (29 years old) (2013 PFF grade: +6.2)
--A former 2nd round pick, Pollak has never quite lived up to his billing in Cincinatti, though he's found a home as a marginally above average right guard. Slightly miscast in Cincinatti's scheme and has position versatility as a former college center. No chance of receiving franchise tag.

Evan Dietrich-Smith (27 years old) (2013 PFF grade: +14.2)
--The Packers tried the undersized Smith at guard for a few years -- where he performed only marginally -- before he got the full time center job in 2013 and flourished. If he signed Pouncey would almost certainly have to move to guard, which is a change I personally would welcome, as I've indicated before. Played for Philbin for two years.

Depth/fringe:

Joe Berger (31 years old) (2013 PFF grade: -0.2)
--Twice a former Dolphin and has spent time with four teams in total, Berger is a classic NFL journeyman who's best fit is in a ZBS. Has not seen any significant action since 2011, but performed well above average that year, scoring a +11.0.

Other: former Dolphin and Texan Wade Smith has to be considered a likely target, even though he's now 32 and has had been on a downward trend for a few years. He would, however, provide leadership to a room that badly needs it. Pouncey is a top performer but take it from a former Gator, he's a douchebag. Eben Britton is an NFL gadfly who pouted after his short arms caused him to drop in the draft and relegated him to right tackle but he never flourished there. His athletic profile and pedigree should have made him a top NFL guard but he performed terribly as a left guard in 2011. With the Bears last year, he did journeyman level work as a RG but scored best as a right tackle. I've never known quite what to make of him. Jamon Meredith, who spent the last two years with the Bucaneers, has to be considered a likely target, even though his NFL career has been, well... terrible, scoring a -9.7 and a -12.4 in his two years with the Bucs.
 
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Never thought we'd hear of Berger again lol but my top hopes are Monroe (I agree, unlikely to hit FA) then Collins, as for guard, Beadles or Saffold (see where he fits best??) but Mack at C and Pouncey at G could be lethal
 
Never thought we'd hear of Berger again lol but my top hopes are Monroe (I agree, unlikely to hit FA) then Collins, as for guard, Beadles or Saffold (see where he fits best??) but Mack at C and Pouncey at G could be lethal

Saffold can play multiple positions on the offensive line. His problem is injuries. He hasn't played all 16 games since his rookie year and has missed 17 games in the last three years.
 
I've been looking at the FA o-lineman and thought for cap space getting Evan Dietrich Smith and Anthony Collins would solidify the line (and a RT)... what about Brian de la Puente?
 
So I obviously have no idea what Dennis Hickey plans to do with the roster or what his plans are. For all I know he's raping his pets right now, as you read this.

That was random and potentially revealing. Projecting something youd like to share with the rest of the class? Suddenly your username being named after an animal seems much more ominous then it did before this thread...

Other then that, good post. On Veldheer, there is a decent chance he does hit free agency. I recall sources inside the Raiders suggesting they were pleased with Watson's potential and felt he could eventually take over the left tackle position. Take it for a grain of salt, as theres absolutely no way im going to attempt digging up those articles, but it makes some sense. They drafted Watson fairly high and he was the type of freakish athlete that simply needed experience to develop into a fine player.
 
veldheer and zane beatles and i'd be pretty happy in free agency...

on the collins front when you say he could be subject to a high tender you are not talking about restricted free agent i hope...cause if that's the case retaining him will be a no brainer for the bengals...

veldheer athletically is EXACTLY what i want in our scheme at left tackle...whether or not he can give you 16 games is another matter
 
If I were Philiban and Hickey I would look heavily at current backups and as you put it frindge starters. There is no chance we totally fix the line this year but getting it to average without busting the bank and blowing the draft on it would be a victory.
 
Breno Giacomini is the right tackle for Seattle and becomes an unrestricted free agent in March. According to the link below, Seattle runs "a pure zone-style running game," where "Giacomini is asked to cut on the back side. The job requires sufficient quickness and ruthlessness, and Giacomini's vicious temperament always held considerable appeal to the Packers."

He was originally a 5th round pick of the Packers when Philbin was there. He's known as a nasty lineman who can really run block while being decent in pass pro. He has been responsible for four sacks each of the past two seasons. He's a guy to keep an eye on in free agency.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...th-seahawks-b99193655z1-242520561.html?ipad=y
 
At LT I'd target Monroe, Albert and then Veldheer, and try desperately to get a big strong LT who is scheme agnostic and excels in both pass pro and run blocking. That may require trading up in the 1st round, but it's what we absolutely need. My favorite target would be Taylor Lewan, but if Jake Matthews drops or both of those are out of our reach I'd gamble on the less polished Cyrus Kouandijo (sp?) who has all the tools and looks like he will become a good one. Greg Robinson doesn't seem as far along in pass pro as I'd like despite his exceptional physical raw ability.

So, in the FA market I'd go hard after a LT early and that may require paying top dollar. If we can get a LT without paying top dollar, I'd target any of those interior linemen, but we only need 1 of them. Then I'd draft a future LT and play him at RT this year. If we can't or he's not ready, or we are unsuccessful getting a LT in FA, then re-sign Clabo for a year. I'm still a fan of Eric Winston, so if that is our newest OL coaches preference, that works too. But, he may have less tread left on his tires.
 
Seemed to work just fine for Arian Foster and Ben Tate

I would agree with Foster and many other backs. I am not sure what is so special about Tate to add him to your point.

However, I think ZBS's are soft and have trouble against physical defenses.
 
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