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Feeley Should Start

how can we even evaluate a QB with the O-line like it is??

it all starts upfront with blocking (or in our case, lack of it)
both QB's look like muppets against 1st team D's, just like Ricky looked like a piece of sh*t trying to run through holes that weren't there.
 
BALLS DEEP said:
Fins,

I say start the QB that gives us the best chance to win the most games this year! I can't say at this point that thats either Gus or Aj. The juries out on all of our QB's. I'd like to see any of them step up and perform two weeks in a row. AND unless theres great improvement, during next offseason I'd probably trade the both of them and Ricky for a shot at a good QB!

Do we really want to risk the entire season on AJ?

Thinking that we are risking a season is being hopelessly optimistic and assuming we are a good team. We are not. We have some good elements, but we still have a long way to go and we will be lucky to finish anywhere but the cellar. I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic. The team is risking more by putting Gus out there because we aren't giving a younger guy who has thus far played at least even with him.
 
To quote Jim Mandich on WQAM 560 radio here in Miami...

"The QB that takes the Dolphins to the playoffs ...... is NOT on this roster."
 
NJFINSFAN1 said:
infins

This is not trash talk, an honest question to you. Would you rather go 8-8 with Gus, or say 5-11 with AJ? And still end up drafting a QB either way?

I do think we are going nowhere with either, now or in the future, we will draft one next year in my eyes.


If and I DO MEAN "IF" that is exactly how it would be played out then the logical answer would STILL BE FEELEY for at 5-11 it put's us in a higher drafting position. As ridiculous of a post this is-that is just the common sense answer.
 
I support AJ for two reasons. The first one being he has potential. We know what Gus can do, AJ is still an unknown factor. With a little help from the O-Line he may shape up. Our O-line sucks so bad right now that we may as well put 5 wet tissues up front to protect the QB.

The second reason is he is younger than Gus and has more years ahead of him in the league. He may prove to be an adequate QB that can stick around for a few years until we (hopefully) find a franchise QB that can bring back those glory days. He'll never be a star, but you don't always need a star QB to be a good team.
 
BALLS DEEP said:
Fins,

I say start the QB that gives us the best chance to win the most games this year! I can't say at this point that thats either Gus or Aj. The juries out on all of our QB's. I'd like to see any of them step up and perform two weeks in a row. AND unless theres great improvement, during next offseason I'd probably trade the both of them and Ricky for a shot at a good QB!

Do we really want to risk the entire season on AJ?
The thought that this team is going anywhere except home after 16 games should leave your mind right now. We are not going to the play-offs we are not going to the Super Bowl. Not with gus frerotte.

The long term interests of the Dolphins will be better served by AJ guiding us to 5 wins rather than gus leading us to 7 wins. The scenario is this, AJ gets the entire season to steadily improve, if that doesn't happen what have we lost and what have we gained?

Lost: Hard to say but, 2-3 more games maybe, than if gus had played but, is that really a bad thing?

Lost: ???

okay,

Gained : The indesputable knowledge that AJ is or isn't going to work out. Which, IMO, is invaluable to the process of making a decison about making an enormous investment in a QB drafted in the first round.

Gained :Cohesion of going through "hell" together, if in fact AJ does improve and grow along with Saban's team. The bond this would create is important to any championship team. Trust in the players around you is tantamount to success.

Gained : If AJ sits on the bench this year and does improve enough to take the job away from gus next year, we are back to this same spot in our QB development. If AJ plays this year and improves that way, next year we have a QB thst is going into his second season as the starter for our team.

Saban practically sounded like posters on here yesterday with all his talk about the O-line causing such evaluation problems. He said everything but "The line Sucks!!"....he's hemming and hawing about it because he can't evaluate who is good or who is bad playing behind that line....yet 9 out of 10 people who hate Feeley are doing so based on his play from last year , behind one of the worst offensive lines in history....It's no coincidence that we sent more of our offense backfield to the hospital last year than any year I can recall for any team in the league. gus has had 12 years in this league, he's played behind good and bad o-lines and it doesn't make a difference because he doesn't have the accuracy needed to be a good QB. Feeley looked good as a 2nd year player when he played behind a decent O-line in Philly, I think he could look even better as a 5th year player playing behind a decent line, if we could find one but why make excuses in order to keep and old back-up QB who isn't going to be around long, if you're going to make excuses, might as well use them to support the young guy.

:D
 
nuffrespekk said:
how can we even evaluate a QB with the O-line like it is??

it all starts upfront with blocking (or in our case, lack of it)
both QB's look like muppets against 1st team D's, just like Ricky looked like a piece of sh*t trying to run through holes that weren't there.
Tell that to the people that "evaluated" Feeley last year.
 
inFINSible said:
The Dolphins would be better served to lose 11 games with Feeley at QB than to lose 11 games with gus at QB.

gus looks as bad, if not worse, than any QB that has come through here in the last 5 years. We're not going to the play-offs with gus as our QB. There are no if's, ands, or buts about it. If gus survives the whole season as a starter without getting injured, we'll be drafting in the top 10 and we won't know jack-**** about Feeley.

Let Feeley be the starter, learn the system by playing in it, and if he survives the whole year without getting injured we're either going to be exactly where we'd be with gus, except that we'll KNOW what Feeley is as a QB,

......or we're going to watch Feeley get better and better throughout the season.

With Feeley as the starter it's a win win even if we lose lose.

Start gus and it's a lose lose and more lose.

That's what I've been saying the whole time.
 
though i didn't read the entire thread (or any of it), i'll repeat what ive said earlier...

at this point no QB is gonna be any better than the other, if gus will win us 5 games then AJ can win us 5 games, basically neither of these guys are gonna do much better than the other as of now...

BUT AJ is an unknown, hes still an inexperienced QB with under a seasons worth of game experience... most QBs take about a season and a half to become quality and start to reach their potential (some longer)... AJ could turn it around and improve as the season goes on... Gus will not, we know what gus is, hes been what hes been for the past 10 years, hes not gonna suddently improve, wihle AJ can... now im not saying AJ is definately gonna improve before you all attack me saying it, but hes got a better chance to improve, hes the inexperienced guy who can suddenly get it (ala carson palmer last year midseason)

i think aj should start just because of this and the fact that him and gus are pretty even as of now anyway...
 
Argh! I just want us to go back to contending every year! I am to impatient to appreciate the rebuilding process!!!!
 
arsenal said:
i think aj should start just because of this and the fact that him and gus are pretty even as of now anyway...
Are you just reading the chart in your sig?

kidding.....well said...:)


"gus is gus, In AJ we trust!"
 
inFINSible said:
The thought that this team is going anywhere except home after 16 games should leave your mind right now. We are not going to the play-offs we are not going to the Super Bowl. Not with gus frerotte.

The long term interests of the Dolphins will be better served by AJ guiding us to 5 wins rather than gus leading us to 7 wins. The scenario is this, AJ gets the entire season to steadily improve, if that doesn't happen what have we lost and what have we gained?

Lost: Hard to say but, 2-3 more games maybe, than if gus had played but, is that really a bad thing?

Lost: ???

okay,

Gained : The indesputable knowledge that AJ is or isn't going to work out. Which, IMO, is invaluable to the process of making a decison about making an enormous investment in a QB drafted in the first round.

Gained :Cohesion of going through "hell" together, if in fact AJ does improve and grow along with Saban's team. The bond this would create is important to any championship team. Trust in the players around you is tantamount to success.

Gained : If AJ sits on the bench this year and does improve enough to take the job away from gus next year, we are back to this same spot in our QB development. If AJ plays this year and improves that way, next year we have a QB thst is going into his second season as the starter for our team.

Saban practically sounded like posters on here yesterday with all his talk about the O-line causing such evaluation problems. He said everything but "The line Sucks!!"....he's hemming and hawing about it because he can't evaluate who is good or who is bad playing behind that line....yet 9 out of 10 people who hate Feeley are doing so based on his play from last year , behind one of the worst offensive lines in history....It's no coincidence that we sent more of our offense backfield to the hospital last year than any year I can recall for any team in the league. gus has had 12 years in this league, he's played behind good and bad o-lines and it doesn't make a difference because he doesn't have the accuracy needed to be a good QB. Feeley looked good as a 2nd year player when he played behind a decent O-line in Philly, I think he could look even better as a 5th year player playing behind a decent line, if we could find one but why make excuses in order to keep and old back-up QB who isn't going to be around long, if you're going to make excuses, might as well use them to support the young guy.

:D
The only issue that I have is that I believe that Saban has a responsibility to the veteran guys on the team and of course Huizenga to put forth the best team that he can. If that means putting Gus out there, then I think he will do that. And similarly with Feeley.

There's more to this than the football side. For instance, if we can put up a few more wins with the "best player" (whomever that is), then maybe we can possibly get a prime time game next year, as an example. More exposure brings in more revenue, as does more wins. From an owner's standpoint, that's good business-sense, and may be what Wayne is expecting from Saban. However, on the flip side, if playing Feeley is like an investment for the future (i.e., we play him to determine what we have, make him better, etc.) we may end up with a better team in the future -- thus risk losing money to bring in money in the future.

Again, I'm torn on the "right" way (which is why I'm not a businessman). But my point is that I believe that it's more than just a on the field football issue.
 
BALLS DEEP said:
Argh! I just want us to go back to contending every year! I am to impatient to appreciate the rebuilding process!!!!
me too...:(
 
BALLS DEEP said:
Argh! I just want us to go back to contending every year! I am to impatient to appreciate the rebuilding process!!!!

Post of the year!!!!:tongue:
 
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