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Feeley Should Start

minus said:
Does it really matter who starts? Gus is slightly better than A.J and that isn't saying much.I think Sage should start to see what he has.We all know Gus is a career backup and Feeley was a mistake.
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perfect.
 
juniorseau55 said:
Why in he hell would you put feeley again, he isn't even experienced enough in the first place. Second of all, he doesn't know this system as well as Gus Ferrotte. Gus did really well when Dante fell out of injury in the last couple of years. INfinsible... you need to realize that Gus is the best and most experienced qb that we have in a roster.

Remember all those passes for touchdowns last season by feeley?
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AJ's not experienced enough? I have a simple solution to that problem. Let him play. How else is he going to get any experience?
 
death7star said:
gus stinks.

why hasn't he been a starter in this league for the last few years?

its b/c he sucks.
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Do you search for every QB thread and just post that Gus sucks? Why hasn't he started the last few years? While playing in Minn he was 2nd on the depth chart to a pretty good QB. One who goes to the probowl somewhat regularly.

Try taking a look at the guy's stats the past few years while playing on a team with a good o-line, a solid running game and really good receivers. I think you may be surprised to see those stats hardly suck at all. In fact, they're much better then most QB's.
 
inFINSible said:
, "Feel" is so subjective especially when you try to say whether it can be learned or unlearned. I say unlearned because I can show you scouting reports that say AJ is poised in the pocket, shows good athletic ability and can vary the speed on his passes....Vary the speed on his passes? Have you ever seen him do that?? I haven't. What's the deal with that? Why would this guy say he looked poised in the pocket, why would he say he can vary the speed of his passes? Or.... What would make him not fit that description??

Well, here's my theory for that...If you're not poised, you're nervous right? If you're nervous you just might want to get rid of the ball quickly right? Throughout AJ's NFL career, he's had reason to be nervous in the pocket, whether it's starting for the first time, with the pressure of a play-off run dumped squarely on your shoulders, whether it's going to a new team and trying to learn a new offense at the same time as trying to win a starting job with almost no help from what can loosely be called a coaching staff, or whether he had to run for his life behind what could literally be called an offensive line, he's had something to be nervous about at nearly every point in his development. Perhaps, once he gets comfortable behind a competant O-line and when he is confortable knowing what to do with the ball through his knowledge of the offense, or when he's comfortable that one mistake isn't going to cost him his job, we might see what Dave Te' Thomas saw in Feeley back when AJ was comfortable leading his team in college and throwing 12 TDs to 1 INT...
Now, whether my theory is true or false, neither of us can say, the only way we can find out is to work towards getting him comfortable and see what happens then. Next year his salary jumps to 3.5, I don't know about you but, to me that says we better find out this year because I don't want to have to run this experiment on him next year.

Sorry Rafael, I'm not swayed by your argument. But your last sentence is perfect. I completely agree, playing a player who lacks requirements for the position is a waste of time.

Let's talk tangible skills for a minute...

Do you know gus has a career completion percentage of 54.6? That's a 12 year average so, it's pretty accurate as to what he is....A QB who can barely comlete more than 50% of his passes.....As a starter he's never completed more than 57% for the season.....The year he went to the "pro bowl" he completed 50.7%....

Now, if that doesn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that gus does indeed lack a basic requirement for the QB position and would be a waste of time, then must be wasting my time.:)

"gus is gus, In AJ we trust"
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I like reading your posts Infins b/c you're generally well reasoned. However, in this instant I believe you're wrong. Feel is more than just poise in the pocket. Lack of poise is just a symptom of lacking feel. The same with lack of touch. It's a symptom. I said in one of my posts long ago that "i'm sure AJ has the ability to vary his throws". You haven't seen it b/c he doesn't see the play developing and doesn't know when to vary his throws. Feel is the ability to anticipate how a play will develop given specific routes and protections vs. a given defense. AJ lacks that anticipation. Gus is no Montana either, but he does show feel sometimes. It's the reason why despite being an avg. QB most of his career he's had enough flashes to make the probowl. This doesn't mean that he'll flash this year, but it does mean that it is possible. AJ, on the other hand, has never shown that anticipation, flashes or otherwise. Historically, QBs that don't at least show flashes of anticipation never develop it. So what reason is there to trust or even hope that AJ will show it now? You might as well bank on me getting that late growth spurt so I can become Shaq's backup.
 
death7star said:
gus stinks.

why hasn't he been a starter in this league for the last few years?

its b/c he sucks.
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have you ever heard of a guy named Dante Culpepper? :shakeno:
 
nick1 said:
have you ever heard of a guy named Dante Culpepper? :shakeno:
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yup, but other guys he couldnt beat for starting job,

Kitna
Batch
B.Johnson
 
rafael said:
I like reading your posts Infins b/c you're generally well reasoned. However, in this instant I believe you're wrong. Feel is more than just poise in the pocket. Lack of poise is just a symptom of lacking feel. The same with lack of touch. It's a symptom. I said in one of my posts long ago that "i'm sure AJ has the ability to vary his throws". You haven't seen it b/c he doesn't see the play developing and doesn't know when to vary his throws. Feel is the ability to anticipate how a play will develop given specific routes and protections vs. a given defense. AJ lacks that anticipation. Gus is no Montana either, but he does show feel sometimes. It's the reason why despite being an avg. QB most of his career he's had enough flashes to make the probowl. This doesn't mean that he'll flash this year, but it does mean that it is possible. AJ, on the other hand, has never shown that anticipation, flashes or otherwise. Historically, QBs that don't at least show flashes of anticipation never develop it. So what reason is there to trust or even hope that AJ will show it now? You might as well bank on me getting that late growth spurt so I can become Shaq's backup.
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Whether gus has feel or not, he can't hit a baboon in the a$$ with a truck. That is not going to change.

I'd much rather see the coaches do their job and at least try and develop Feeley, than settle for an over the hill never-was.

We'll just have to agree do disagree because I seriously think that whether he has feel or not has been impossible to evaluate in the situations that he has found himself in during his time here and I don't think that you contradicted any of my points in the previous post.
 
inFINSible said:
Whether gus has feel or not, he can't hit a baboon in the a$$ with a truck. That is not going to change.

I'd much rather see the coaches do their job and at least try and develop Feeley, than settle for an over the hill never-was.

We'll just have to agree do disagree because I seriously think that whether he has feel or not has been impossible to evaluate in the situations that he has found himself in during his time here and I don't think that you contradicted any of my points in the previous post.
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Agree to disagree it is, b/c feel can't be developed and it can be evaluated within a few games (even faster by some). AJ will develop his feel about the same time I get my growth spurt.
 
rafael said:
Agree to disagree it is, b/c feel can't be developed and it can be evaluated within a few games (even faster by some). AJ will develop his feel about the same time I get my growth spurt.
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I don't understand why feel can't be developed. Doesn't part of feel have to do with a level of comfort and knowledge of the system? If the QB gets no practice time with a WR, how can they be expected to be on the same page? With time, they can gain a feel for each other. I just can't buy into the idea that a QB is either born with feel or he isn't. Feel is so subjective anyhow. How can it be measured?

What about Favre and Young? Did they not develop feel, or was it just there and the teams they started with couldn't tell?
 
KiddJB said:
WHY ISNT ANYONE FOR GIVING GUS A CHANCE?? This is the only thing I don't understand when it comes to the Frerotte v. Feeley threads. Let Gus start game 1, maybe game 2 if he does bad in game 1. (Just like they did with Fiedler). If he does bad, AJ gets the reigns. Simple enough?? Give the man a shot at a Full Game with the 1st stringers before you make up your minds. Its the least we can do because I am sick of seeing Feeley picks for 6 goin the other way.
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I'm against it because he is 34, has a career rating of 73 (or close to that) and is not a long term solution in any sense of the word.
 
nuffrespekk said:
Maybe Saban has already written off Feeley in his mind. I know I have.

If that's the case then Gus plays this year and next year, and we either draft a QB next year or go for the young FA (who spends part of 2006 as backup learning the system).

Face it people, we are rebuilding and it doesn't happen in a year. It took San Diego a couple before Martyball came together. Let's settle in for the process and watch it develop, it will make our Superbowl victory in 2007 that much sweeter!
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Did you watch the game? did you see the camera shot of Feeley and Saban after Feeley's last possession? The look on Saban's face was... You did what you could kid, and then Saban gave him a friendly pat on the butt.

Saban has not given up on Feeley, if anything these last two starts by Gus were meant to motivate Feeley.
 
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