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rafael said:
I like reading your posts Infins b/c you're generally well reasoned. However, in this instant I believe you're wrong. Feel is more than just poise in the pocket. Lack of poise is just a symptom of lacking feel. The same with lack of touch. It's a symptom. I said in one of my posts long ago that "i'm sure AJ has the ability to vary his throws". You haven't seen it b/c he doesn't see the play developing and doesn't know when to vary his throws. Feel is the ability to anticipate how a play will develop given specific routes and protections vs. a given defense. AJ lacks that anticipation. Gus is no Montana either, but he does show feel sometimes. It's the reason why despite being an avg. QB most of his career he's had enough flashes to make the probowl. This doesn't mean that he'll flash this year, but it does mean that it is possible. AJ, on the other hand, has never shown that anticipation, flashes or otherwise. Historically, QBs that don't at least show flashes of anticipation never develop it. So what reason is there to trust or even hope that AJ will show it now? You might as well bank on me getting that late growth spurt so I can become Shaq's backup.
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The most important quality a quarterback can have is accuracy. It starts from there. If you arent consistently accurate you will never be a good QB. It's a more important quality than intelligence, arm strength, mobility, pocket presence or feel. Gus historically goes through funks in a game when he cant hit wide open receivers. This entire preseason was an example of overthrown and underthrown passes. Many here think its due to the fact that he hasnt had enough reps with his new receivers and I might be inclined to agree except for the fact that this was always his problem. You have the same problem for 12 years its safe to assume its not going to go away

Out of curiousity I'd be interested in finding out what your definition of feel is?

Tell me if you disagree with these opinions. I'm not using my judgement but instead trying to evaluate on what I think you mean by feel

HAS FEEL - Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana

NO FEEL - Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper
 
inFINSible said:
The Dolphins would be better served to lose 11 games with Feeley at QB than to lose 11 games with gus at QB.

gus looks as bad, if not worse, than any QB that has come through here in the last 5 years. We're not going to the play-offs with gus as our QB. There are no if's, ands, or buts about it. If gus survives the whole season as a starter without getting injured, we'll be drafting in the top 10 and we won't know jack-**** about Feeley.

Let Feeley be the starter, learn the system by playing in it, and if he survives the whole year without getting injured we're either going to be exactly where we'd be with gus, except that we'll KNOW what Feeley is as a QB,

......or we're going to watch Feeley get better and better throughout the season.

With Feeley as the starter it's a win win even if we lose lose.

Start gus and it's a lose lose and more lose.
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How about some love for youre sig "How far can we go with Gus? All the way to the scene of the crash. Witch is pretty convenient cause that is where we are going anyways"
 
welderpat said:
How about some love for youre sig "How far can we go with Gus? All the way to the scene of the crash. Witch is pretty convenient cause that is where we are going anyways"
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That's good because that's where the ambulances are going to be, about 20 minutes after we get there.
 
adamprez2003 said:
The most important quality a quarterback can have is accuracy. It starts from there. If you arent consistently accurate you will never be a good QB. It's a more important quality than intelligence, arm strength, mobility, pocket presence or feel. Gus historically goes through funks in a game when he cant hit wide open receivers. This entire preseason was an example of overthrown and underthrown passes. Many here think its due to the fact that he hasnt had enough reps with his new receivers and I might be inclined to agree except for the fact that this was always his problem. You have the same problem for 12 years its safe to assume its not going to go away

Out of curiousity I'd be interested in finding out what your definition of feel is?

Tell me if you disagree with these opinions. I'm not using my judgement but instead trying to evaluate on what I think you mean by feel

HAS FEEL - Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana

NO FEEL - Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper
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My definition of feel is the ability to anticipate where the openings (and problems) in a play will develop. IMO this is the most important thing for an NFL QB. In college I would say it's accuracy b/c there will always be open players, but in the NFL once you see that the player is open it's usually too late.

As for your opinions I definately agree that the top group has feel, but I don't agree with the no feel group. IMO those guys also anticipate openings, but they often exploit those with their legs. Just about every starting QB in the league shows flashes of feel. The great ones just show it more.
 
CanadaPhinsFan said:
I don't understand why feel can't be developed. Doesn't part of feel have to do with a level of comfort and knowledge of the system? If the QB gets no practice time with a WR, how can they be expected to be on the same page? With time, they can gain a feel for each other. I just can't buy into the idea that a QB is either born with feel or he isn't. Feel is so subjective anyhow. How can it be measured?

What about Favre and Young? Did they not develop feel, or was it just there and the teams they started with couldn't tell?
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Knowledge of the system can approximate feel, just b/c you've seen everything before so it makes anticipation easier, but it takes a very long time. Think Testaverde, despite possibly some of the best physical skills ever, he didn't become even a fair QB until he'd been in the league 10+ years. If we wait 5 more years for AJ he may become a lesser version of what Testaverde is now. IMO that's not anything worth waiting for.

As for Farve and Young, they showed flashes of feel and the teams knew it that's why despite poor stats they garned pretty high trades. AJ also garnered a fairly high trade, but I think everybody agrees we overpaid.
 
Adamprez,Why are all the QB's who have "feel" white and all that "don't" black?Anyway Feeley should be cut for cap space to pick up a CB and next year draft a real QB.Also,give Brock a chance.:tongue:
 
rafael said:
Knowledge of the system can approximate feel, just b/c you've seen everything before so it makes anticipation easier, but it takes a very long time. Think Testaverde, despite possibly some of the best physical skills ever, he didn't become even a fair QB until he'd been in the league 10+ years. If we wait 5 more years for AJ he may become a lesser version of what Testaverde is now. IMO that's not anything worth waiting for.

As for Farve and Young, they showed flashes of feel and the teams knew it that's why despite poor stats they garned pretty high trades. AJ also garnered a fairly high trade, but I think everybody agrees we overpaid.
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I guess I'm struggling with this whole idea because feel is so completely subjective. IMO an athlete in any sport can learn to have a feel for the game. You may be right that it will take AJ 5 or 10 years, but what if he gets it this year? Shouldn't we at least find out for sure?

He must have shown some flashes to even be in the NFL. You can say all you want about Spielman as a GM, but the guy was a good talent evaluator. He must have seen something to make that trade (and yes I agree he overpaid - a 3rd likely could have got the deal done).
 
"feel" is obtainable through in game experience, feeley doesn't have much of that so how do you expect him to show his "feel"...

while gus frerotte has had more than enough time to develop his feel yet he really doesn't have much, and hes still as accurate as mr. magoo would be...
 
CanadaPhinsFan said:
I guess I'm struggling with this whole idea because feel is so completely subjective. IMO an athlete in any sport can learn to have a feel for the game. You may be right that it will take AJ 5 or 10 years, but what if he gets it this year? Shouldn't we at least find out for sure?

He must have shown some flashes to even be in the NFL. You can say all you want about Spielman as a GM, but the guy was a good talent evaluator. He must have seen something to make that trade (and yes I agree he overpaid - a 3rd likely could have got the deal done).
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I didn't say he would get feel. I said he could accumulate enough experience to approximate it. That's not the same thing. If he doesn't have feel now he won't get it this year and unless they suddenly make this an 80 game season, he won't accumulate enough experience to approximate it.

No, the problem is he hasn't shown flashes. Evaluating a QB is a special skill. I have not seen any evidence from RS that he has that skill.
 
rafael said:
I didn't say he would get feel. I said he could accumulate enough experience to approximate it. That's not the same thing. If he doesn't have feel now he won't get it this year and unless they suddenly make this an 80 game season, he won't accumulate enough experience to approximate it.

No, the problem is he hasn't shown flashes. Evaluating a QB is a special skill. I have not seen any evidence from RS that he has that skill.
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And what makes you qualified to judge Rs' ability to judge qb talent? He may be great at evaluating talent but suk at determining market value in relation tro readiness and quick production. You like to make things cut and dry when the reality is it isnt that simple.
 
AshleyJudd'sMan said:
Adamprez,Why are all the QB's who have "feel" white and all that "don't" black?Anyway Feeley should be cut for cap space to pick up a CB and next year draft a real QB.Also,give Brock a chance.:tongue:
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Yeah I noticed that too. If you read my post I was trying to figure out what Rafael meant by "feel". When describing "feel" originally he only mentioned the passing aspect of the game and anticipating plays as they develop. In his response though he did state that using your feet is also a way to have "feel".
 
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