Ferotte...is what he is

[MDFINFAN]

could not have said it better...we aren't playoff bound this year anyway, let's see what the (younger) guy has since Gus is too old to be our future.

I don't know why people can't see this, if we're not ready for prime time, then let AJ develope and learn with everyone else, we really need to see what we have with AJ. I know Gus knows the O and probably will made less mistakes initially, but I live in the DC area and have seen Gus all his career, which is why I continued to support AJ, I know Gus, I want to know AJ. I want to see him play 2 years straight in the same O. I see him improving each game and quickly catching up to vets who already know the system..I want him to have a chance to go from there. He seens to have upside, if the coaching staff will only let it have a chance, we may have something. But we'll never know if he's still on the sidelines. This guy took his beating last year behind that oh, auh line, just can't call them a oline from last year and he still managed to grow in that quasy O.

 

[inFINSible]

well said...........:)

You and all the rest of the people that constantly diss AJ are clingimg to this last bit of your raft.....he's been proving everything else you've said as wrong and I think that by the time he also proves he can be more than just a back-up you'll have to change your name to "Joe FlipFlopper".

 

[catapano]

man i was hopeing gus would pan out i knew nothing about his playing ,consistancy other than a few throws on espn with the vikings, nice throws might i ad. anyway he looked good he comes in and suposedly beats out feeley who showed some slight signs of promise last year, so im thinking he must be ok but from the preseason games ive seen so far i got to tell ya im not impressed at all looks totally outta sinc with the recievers?

 

[Canadianfishfan]

People in this league get chances because they earn them. If AJ hasnt been given a chance its because of that. He has to clearly earn that opportunity. And saying that we're not playoff bound is rediculous. AJ threw his first td in 4 games... sigh!

I think some of you are clearly missing the point that MANY in the NFL dont think AJ has the goods to become what you wish.

I take this stance because as soon as AJ has a crappy game.. everyone will be all over him to get sidelined.

I know you respectufull disagree.... But AJ is noticably not that good. Never was.. and he wont be.

The Phins are a Pro Sports Franchise... they play the regular season to develop players. Saban isnt going to develop players for the sake of winning. I think you understand that... you will understand the QB battle better. Throwing a bunch of 2 yrd passes just doesnt cut it.

Feeley better play ALOT better for me to get into him. Not saying gus is better... But he does have the CONFIDENCE OF THE PLAYERS.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The posters in denial are the Feeley supporters, not the Frerotte supporters. That has been true for months and avalanched to high hilarity during the preseason. No one among the Frerotte clan claims he is anything more than an improvement on Feeley and our short term best stopgap hope. There may have been some early lunacy touting Frerotte's familiarity with the system. Certainly not from me. That was in the same category as Hudson Houck spreading magical Larry Allen dust over all our linemen.

Feeley throws line drives. Not close to the variety of potential throws Gus can make. Feeley also defaults underneath, virtually at the outset of a play especially the first down pass plays. It's amazing to me those two factors are not better understood for what they are: death blows to any chance Feeley has of becoming a competent starter. That 5.32 yards per attempt was not a mirage or anything that wouldn't be wonderfully replicated over 16 games. A few of Feeley's apologists thrill to point out occasional passes he attempts downfield. Yeah, just like Tiger Woods sometimes botches a 3 foot putt. If you want to count on either one happening with any regularity, I'll book all your action.

My concern is Feeley becoming starter and teasing with a slightly less pathetic season than a year ago, causing us to delay the pursuit of a legit QB. Admittedly, that is not giving Saban enough credit. Regardless of what happens behind center, we are pursuing bigtime next spring. After watching this camp, I've gone from anti-A.J. to pro-Gus. Frerotte has not been accurate so far, far from it, but the arm is stronger than I projected and he goes downfield with even greater frequency. The deep throws have been somewhat rushed and erratic. Potential rewards await.

 

[t47c]

The posters in denial are the Feeley supporters, not the Frerotte supporters. That has been true for months and avalanched to high hilarity during the preseason. No one among the Frerotte clan claims he is anything more than an improvement on Feeley and our short term best stopgap hope. There may have been some early lunacy touting Frerotte's familiarity with the system. Certainly not from me. That was in the same category as Hudson Houck spreading magical Larry Allen dust over all our linemen.

Feeley throws line drives. Not close to the variety of potential throws Gus can make. Feeley also defaults underneath, virtually at the outset of a play especially the first down pass plays. It's amazing to me those two factors are not better understood for what they are: death blows to any chance Feeley has of becoming a competent starter. That 5.32 yards per attempt was not a mirage or anything that wouldn't be wonderfully replicated over 16 games. A few of Feeley's apologists thrill to point out occasional passes he attempts downfield. Yeah, just like Tiger Woods sometimes botches a 3 foot putt. If you want to count on either one happening with any regularity, I'll book all your action.

My concern is Feeley becoming starter and teasing with a slightly less pathetic season than a year ago, causing us to delay the pursuit of a legit QB. Admittedly, that is not giving Saban enough credit. Regardless of what happens behind center, we are pursuing bigtime next spring. After watching this camp, I've gone from anti-A.J. to pro-Gus. Frerotte has not been accurate so far, far from it, but the arm is stronger than I projected and he goes downfield with even greater frequency. The deep throws have been somewhat rushed and erratic. Potential rewards await.

Well let me say this. When Feeley doesn't complete a pass you tell us he isn't accurate. When he does complete a pass you say. Well he doesn't have a high enough YPC. Ok, but he doesn't check down because he's more comfortable he checks down because that's where the open guy is. That's where the line gives him time to pass. To say Gus has a wide assorment of throws is crazy. He isn't accurate at all... never has been. So because he "can make all the throws" doesn't mean s**t when he isn't near the target.
You say throws underneath are a death blow to the Offense?????? 2nd and 5 or under is a OC's dream. I'll take a 5 yard avg. on first down ALL YEAR. Gus always had a strong arm... you just never know where the ball will end up. SAME AS ALWAYS... That is Gus Frerotte..

 

[Tim1958]

I have stayed out of these QB threads up till now. I was willing to keep an open mind and let all 4 QBs play for the starting spot. Let the competition take it's course. I have, and it has. Gus can NOT start. He can't throw a football. He has poise, and leadership. He understands the offense. He simply can not throw a football. He overthrew a wide open Boston, past everyone else on the field streaking towards the end zone by at LEAST 15 yards!! The competition was not fair (very slanted towards Gus all along) and AJ still has outplayed him. Gus' stats are worse than Fiedler's were. AJ has to start, the sooner the better!!!

 

[adamprez2003]

The posters in denial are the Feeley supporters, not the Frerotte supporters. That has been true for months and avalanched to high hilarity during the preseason. No one among the Frerotte clan claims he is anything more than an improvement on Feeley and our short term best stopgap hope. There may have been some early lunacy touting Frerotte's familiarity with the system. Certainly not from me. That was in the same category as Hudson Houck spreading magical Larry Allen dust over all our linemen.

Feeley throws line drives. Not close to the variety of potential throws Gus can make. Feeley also defaults underneath, virtually at the outset of a play especially the first down pass plays. It's amazing to me those two factors are not better understood for what they are: death blows to any chance Feeley has of becoming a competent starter. That 5.32 yards per attempt was not a mirage or anything that wouldn't be wonderfully replicated over 16 games. A few of Feeley's apologists thrill to point out occasional passes he attempts downfield. Yeah, just like Tiger Woods sometimes botches a 3 foot putt. If you want to count on either one happening with any regularity, I'll book all your action.

My concern is Feeley becoming starter and teasing with a slightly less pathetic season than a year ago, causing us to delay the pursuit of a legit QB. Admittedly, that is not giving Saban enough credit. Regardless of what happens behind center, we are pursuing bigtime next spring. After watching this camp, I've gone from anti-A.J. to pro-Gus. Frerotte has not been accurate so far, far from it, but the arm is stronger than I projected and he goes downfield with even greater frequency. The deep throws have been somewhat rushed and erratic. Potential rewards await.

Would you agree that accuracy above all else is the most important trait an nfl quarterback needs to possess to play in the NFL? More important than touch, more important than pocket presence, more important than mobility, more important than arm strength and more important than smarts. Its one thing to be able to know the correct throw its another to make it. Frerotte has never been accurate. He has many of the other traits you look for in a qb but not accuracy or better phrased consistent accuracy. AJ on the other hand has accuracy. Its the other traits he needs work on and I for one have seen improvement in those areas. It seems to me that if we play AJ he may be able to work on the other aspects of his game that are weak and possibly improve them. If we play Gus on the other hand we will have a QB who can make 4 out of 5 passes in one stretch and then go into a 1 for 6 funk. This is fine for a backup who only has to come in for a 3 or 4 game stretch. You might get lucky for a few games and win one or two. Its absolute death however to have this trait for a starting QB. It will result in a sub 500 season

 

[jlfin]

It appears to me that the starter has struggled more than the backup, no matter who the starter is. When Gus has started, AJ's looked decent, and when AJ's started, Gus has looked decent. Why? Because their's a huge difference between playing against a first team defense and a second and third team defense.

IMO, neither Gus nor AJ has distinguished himself as a starter for this team. Saban will likely choose Frerotte because of a comfort level. Their is something to a veteran who knows the system very well, as opposed to an inexperienced kid who's brand new to the system. I'm not saying Saban's right, I'm saying Saban will do what he feels givesus the best chance to win.

If I'm Saban, I'd probably start AJ at first, but of course, it's not my job and reputation on the line...

Well in all fairness to AJ, he's only had 7 plays with the first team in a game situation. How the heck can you draw any conclusion from that? I personally would have liked to see him in the 2nd quarter last night.

 

[jlfin]

The posters in denial are the Feeley supporters, not the Frerotte supporters. That has been true for months and avalanched to high hilarity during the preseason. No one among the Frerotte clan claims he is anything more than an improvement on Feeley and our short term best stopgap hope. There may have been some early lunacy touting Frerotte's familiarity with the system. Certainly not from me. That was in the same category as Hudson Houck spreading magical Larry Allen dust over all our linemen.

Feeley throws line drives. Not close to the variety of potential throws Gus can make. Feeley also defaults underneath, virtually at the outset of a play especially the first down pass plays. It's amazing to me those two factors are not better understood for what they are: death blows to any chance Feeley has of becoming a competent starter. That 5.32 yards per attempt was not a mirage or anything that wouldn't be wonderfully replicated over 16 games. A few of Feeley's apologists thrill to point out occasional passes he attempts downfield. Yeah, just like Tiger Woods sometimes botches a 3 foot putt. If you want to count on either one happening with any regularity, I'll book all your action.

My concern is Feeley becoming starter and teasing with a slightly less pathetic season than a year ago, causing us to delay the pursuit of a legit QB. Admittedly, that is not giving Saban enough credit. Regardless of what happens behind center, we are pursuing bigtime next spring. After watching this camp, I've gone from anti-A.J. to pro-Gus. Frerotte has not been accurate so far, far from it, but the arm is stronger than I projected and he goes downfield with even greater frequency. The deep throws have been somewhat rushed and erratic. Potential rewards await.

The throw to Farmer didn't look like a line drive to me. It was a perfect throw under pressure.

 

[rainmaker1313]

Well, I have always said, Feeley has never ever gotten a chance. He has always been rotated with someone, never was given the reigns of the team to see what he can do and never had an Oline. I think he should get the 1st 8 games, no question and then make an assessment!

 

[paskerbrandon]

Well, I have always said, Feeley has never ever gotten a chance. He has always been rotated with someone, never was given the reigns of the team to see what he can do and never had an Oline. I think he should get the 1st 8 games, no question and then make an assessment!

Agreed, AJ needs to start for us, he gives us a much better chance to win then Frerotted.

 

[adamprez2003]

The throw to Farmer didn't look like a line drive to me. It was a perfect throw under pressure.

Additionally, Feeley first pump faked, to get the defender to bite a little which led to the seperation that Farmer needed to catch the throw

 

[t47c]

I am starting to think Frerotte was promised the starting job if he signed. Now he is showing his true talent... or lack of, the coaches are starting to worry. All of a sudden there is talk of playing both during the season...(saban at his PC) seems to me the only player not held accountable on this team is Frerotte. Hell even Linehan is starting to speak Political correctness concerning Frerotte's play.. UGH