ferrotte.. wheres the advantage???

[BIGRED11]

all i know is that i want aj feeley to be our qb and i think he deserves a fair chance to prove his worthy

 

[Dudeman]

Get it straight, dude. Feeley made bad decisions and locked onto his WRs a lot last year, but he improved as time went by. You need to have experience and comfort in the system your playing before you can get a good "feel" of where your receivers are gonna be. You are a Gus homer and I don't understand why. Everyone on this board should be rooting for Feeley to succeed, cause he has more upside. I'm not saying he will succeed, just saying you shoud all be pullin for him. Even if we draft a QB next year, he won't be ready until 2008.

this is what I dont get. Feeley huggers ramble on about upside. Why? You have no idea if he has upside or not. He may have maxed out his upside in Philly when he was at best average (5 TDs and 5 INTs as the starter). If he's not as good as Gus, you dont play him just to see if he has more, that would be a waste of a better QB.

As for Gus, is he throwing ducks everytime? Absolutely not. Even Bedard said that Gus was fantastic in the practices that Feeley was out. He has apparently done well in camp. Nobody is going to throw great passes 100% of the time, it just doesn't happen. Remember that duck that AJ threw against AZ that landed about 25 yards short? Boy, you must've missed that.

As for the locking on, have you not read any of the reports? EVERY SINGLE ONE mentions that fact that AJ STILL DOES IT! It has nothing to do with the system, that's a mental thing that should've been corrected in college. He has done it his entire career, and it is now his 5th year, and it still happens. Meanwhile, Gus scans the field, looks for the open man, and delivers a strike. Even Bedard remarked that there was a pass to Josh Davis, that only he (Frerotte) could've made.

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

If you think Feeley has the edge, you havn't read a single camp report or any of the articles. ESPN insider even said the competition was a sham because right now there is no way in hell AJ is starting.

I haven't missed a practice yet, and I'll tell you they're wrong..Feeley will start!!. Feeley has a very strong and accurate arm. Once he get's this system down pat, he will start. Fiedler, excelled in Norv's system it's first year until the thumb injury. By the end of training camp, I believe Feeley will have a firm grasp on the offense and will be our starter..

 

[CRAZYDOLFAN305]

this is what I dont get. Feeley huggers ramble on about upside. Why? You have no idea if he has upside or not. He may have maxed out his upside in Philly when he was at best average (5 TDs and 5 INTs as the starter). If he's not as good as Gus, you dont play him just to see if he has more, that would be a waste of a better QB.

As for Gus, is he throwing ducks everytime? Absolutely not. Even Bedard said that Gus was fantastic in the practices that Feeley was out. He has apparently done well in camp. Nobody is going to throw great passes 100% of the time, it just doesn't happen. Remember that duck that AJ threw against AZ that landed about 25 yards short? Boy, you must've missed that.

As for the locking on, have you not read any of the reports? EVERY SINGLE ONE mentions that fact that AJ STILL DOES IT! It has nothing to do with the system, that's a mental thing that should've been corrected in college. He has done it his entire career, and it is now his 5th year, and it still happens. Meanwhile, Gus scans the field, looks for the open man, and delivers a strike. Even Bedard remarked that there was a pass to Josh Davis, that only he (Frerotte) could've made.

Damn, I wish I could be there to see the look on your face when Feeley is named our starter..Than what will you have to say ? I think it's obvious from his play at the end of the year, we found us a QB..Once, Feely get full grasp on Linehan's offense, He is going to rip apart defenses. The reason why he locks on to his receivers, have a lot to do with learning a new system, and playing against a very good and complicated Defense. If you could only see how much our defense changes coverages from play to play. You would lock on to you receivers sometimes too. Especially, if you had to do that while learning a new O..I think Feeley has fared well, despite all the obstacles he has to overcome. I expect by the third our fourth pre-season game, A/J. will prove to everybody why he should be the starting QB..

 

[AtticusFinz]

Damn, I wish I could be there to see the look on your face when Feeley is named our starter..Than what will you have to say ? I think it's obvious from his play at the end of the year, we found us a QB..Once, Feely get full grasp on Linehan's offense, He is going to rip apart defenses. The reason why he locks on to his receivers, have a lot to do with learning a new system, and playing against a very good and complicated Defense. If you could only see how much our defense changes coverages from play to play. You would lock on to you receivers sometimes too. Especially, if you had to do that while learning a new O..I think Feeley has fared well, despite all the obstacles he has to overcome. I expect by the third our fourth pre-season game, A/J. will prove to everybody why he should be the starting QB..

:clap:

 

[finfan54]

whether or not Frerrotte has an advantage or not is irrelevent right now. He still has to learn his Line, his WR's and timeing. Its way too early for anyone locking into anyone at this point. Saban is not going to make a decision on his QB until the last week of preseason. I think Frerrote has the edge but it really means nothing right now. they just got started for crying out loud.

 

[Blind Faith]

6 days of camp, no games played and most everyone has it all figured out. I'll watch the preseason see some live action and wait for Coach Saban to make the call. I'm pulling for AJ; if he can put it together we could have a heck of a club sooner than later. Ferrotte has had many years including starting years to show who he is and we all pretty much know that if he beats out AJ it's going to take a while to groom a rookie from the draft next season. Seems to me we had a 10-6 team for years before last and we have made a lot of moves and added more depth to the squad. We all might be a little surprised by this year especially if AJ can improve and contribute.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

If you think Feeley has the edge, you havn't read a single camp report or any of the articles. ESPN insider even said the competition was a sham because right now there is no way in hell AJ is starting.

Did you read these from Greg Bedard?

Both of them were pretty even, though I would give a slight edge to Feeley for the pass to Chambers and toss to Randy McMichael (would have been a 65-yard TD in a real game) on the next series. Gus was OK. Often times he completes passes on bad throws. He throws behind receivers a lot.

Gus also looked good but I think A.J. had a slight edge. Gus had some real stinkers and almost got picked off. Both led scoring drives in the red zone.

Gus Frerotte looked terrible. Only A.J. Feeley seemed to have a good day. Actually, he carried himself like a leader today. Hard to explain why I got that feeling;

Here is his one entry that favored Frerotte:

After two-straight rough days, Frerotte finally outplayed Feeley, who had his worst practice.

So is Bedard really AJ's father?

The competition is far from over. I really want two guys who can start. I don't care who Saban selects.

 

[rafael]

Yeah, if a QB has a feel for the game, but throws lame ducks he is gonna succeed. No one on this board knows how to analyze QBs but rafael.
:goof:

Get it straight, dude. Feeley made bad decisions and locked onto his WRs a lot last year, but he improved as time went by. You need to have experience and comfort in the system your playing before you can get a good "feel" of where your receivers are gonna be. You are a Gus homer and I don't understand why. Everyone on this board should be rooting for Feeley to succeed, cause he has more upside. I'm not saying he will succeed, just saying you shoud all be pullin for him. Even if we draft a QB next year, he won't be ready until 2008.

Feeley doesn't have more upside. He's younger that's it. He didn't improve he locked on last year and he locks on now. How's that improvement? And IMO Gus is a backup. I rate him just above Fiedler. It's just that compared to AJ he's shown more potential. I'm not sure how that makes me a Gus homer.
I'm pulling for the best QB, which is what everybody on this board should be doing. And of course it's better for the team if AJ succeeds, but just b/c we want it to be true doesn't mean he will. It won't suddenly give him a feel for for the game b/c we all "pull for him" real hard. Also by feel I mean a feel for who will be open by reading the defense not just timing up with the receivers.

 

[MDFINFAN]

I think that says more about people's inability to analyze QB play. Locking on to receivers is not a factor of not knowing the system. It is a result of not having a feel for the game. He locks on not b/c he doesn't know where the receiver will end up, but b/c he can't read the D and see where the openings will be in his head. Locking on is something that QBs with feel correct after a short while not something they still do in the fifth year of practice. Everytime I hear praise for AJ it usually involves him throwing a dart. To many people that's all they analyze when it comes to QBs. He can do that, but he lacks feel so he never knows when he can just lay it in there. Very few QBs develop feel if they don't show it at least some of the time early on. AJ will not suddenly get feel just b/c he learns the system (although reports are he isn't real bright so that may take a while too). I heard one media (not PFT)report that said that despite the public face (everything is even) that the coaches are groaning when they watch tape of AJ. My guess is that they'll keep saying open competiton to keep the pressure on, but that Gus (although not great by any means) is already the starter in the coach's mind.

Rafael, that's total bs, locking on has nothing to do with feel as you're trying to imply it..it has to do with learning and not exactly knowing, but knowing what the primary receiver is doing. Once a QB, and I've done this, knows where everyone is, and understands his prereads, which, I'm not saying aj not doing, but you are, then the instincts take over..but you have to do something over and over for that to happen. AJ hasn't had enough game experience in his adult life to gain that confidence. Once he knows where players will be and reads his keys on D and learn to truth the read and pattern based on experience, then you will see the "lock on" go away. For the last 2 years, the guys has been learning O's, and splitting time with vet qb's trying to get onto the field. This has defintely slowed his progress and I'm sure worn on his confidence. It's one of those looking over your shoulders things. He locked on to hit the primary receiver, he probably has a good idea where the secondary one will be, but beyond that and the big play book, I'm sure he's guessing on the 3rd and 4th outlets.

 

[Mike13]

Someone else brought that up earlier. It's a good point. Frerotte having been in the system for 2 years and being neck to neck with Feeley ....

Thats why he only has a ''slight advantage.''

 

[GoonBoss]

I've not been to camp, or anything, but, I wager....If Gus is our starter, this season is a wash. I'm not trying to be funny, or obtuse....You just kinda have to know that.

I'd like to win....But, dang....Ferotte?

*Rubbing temples*

 

[Dolphin1184]

I've not been to camp, or anything, but, I wager....If Gus is our starter, this season is a wash. I'm not trying to be funny, or obtuse....You just kinda have to know that.

I'd like to win....But, dang....Ferotte?

*Rubbing temples*

Why is it a wash out? Your crystal ball tell you?

 

[MDFINFAN]

Why is it a wash out? Your crystal ball tell you?

Because now you're talking stop gap and not continuity...AJ is stability to the position, someone the team can rally around for years, Gus represent looking for another QB soon.

 

[adamprez2003]

if you take all the reports written from each day (OZZY, NASTY, DOLPHIN2005, BEDARD, PHINS.COM) Feeley has outplayed Frerotte slightly every day but one. Perhaps they are all wrong and frerotte is really playing better but at this stage Feeley has the edge strictly from ALL the reports. Feeley seems to have begun looking off his receivers in the last 2 days though not enough I am sure we are all agreed. Additionally it seems he's not throwing picks anymore. Instead he seems to be overthrowing his receivers instead (perhaps overcompensating) We wont know if he can handle a pass rush without freaking out until the preseason starts. I havent been able to get a feel for whether he is getting more touch on his passes from what Ive read but that is something else he needs to improve upon.

As for Frerotte it seems from the reprots as long as he's throwing short passes he's ok but the long game is off. It might be that he needs to get used to our receivers so I wouldnt write him off just yet but I have to say that I am disappointed from what Ive read so far about his performance.

If the season started today I would be worried about our QB position but I am cautiously optimistic that both QBs will be much better by week 4 of the preseason and that maybe we might be competitive again