Films don't lie... Tua's pre-snap read sucks!

[1972forever]

It’s not really just a few though. Look at pretty much all the best QBs in the NFL. Just about all of them had success very early. Josh Allen is an exception, not the norm. And he is a very different situation, pretty much incomparable.

That’s really not true. Historically Qb’s take a few years to develop at the NFL level. Obviously there are the exceptions but very few QB’s come in and are effective immediately. I have no idea if Tua will be one of those QB’s who develops over a few years or will just be another QB who never becomes the QB we hoped he would.
I just have more patience than some on here. I also understand that he is trying to play QB on a team with a barely NFL caliber OL, no running attack and OC’s who call a high school level offensive system.

 

[1972forever]

No no no no. Everyone, and I mean everyone, said he was the most ready NFL QB they have ever seen. He shouldn't need any time to adjust.

I guess that means he doesn’t need at least an average offensive line, a running game or decent OC’s either. Because right now he doesn’t any of those things.

 

[fishfanmiami]

Here is what a friend of mine that really knows football says about this video

The fan that made that video doesn’t know what he’s talking about. If he knew what he was talking about he would’ve pointed out the issue on the first play that he failed to analyze correctly.

Miami is playing 10 guys against 11 defenders and that’s why their offense is struggling. It’s poorly designed by young, inexperienced coordinators.

The first play is a half hearted attempt at an RPO. Tua and the RB don’t even follow through with a mesh - because the RB never reaches him. The back knows he’s not getting the handoff unless Tua checks to the run there. Which didn’t happen.

The problem lies with what the back is doing on the entire play. The fan correctly identified the overhanging and unaccounted for CB blitzing off the edge, but the back protecting to that side isn’t even built into the play. You don’t carry out a play action fake - or a half hearted attempt at an RPO fake - if the back protecting is even built into the protection as an alert.

The back steps up into the middle of the pocket with nobody to block. Why? Everyone was already accounted for there as the fan pointed out.

Your RB should always be doing one of three things. Taking the handoff, blocking, or running a route. He does none of the three on that play.

But look at what potentially is there if the design of the play calls for the back to just flare out to the flat up top. NFL QB’s make a living with this design built into plays. It forces one of those inside linebackers to rally and try to get over there in time once they see him exit the backfield.

Instead, Miami is playing 10 guys trying to beat 11 defenders. Tua had no outlet to go to after his first read even if he had time. The RB was just as much a spectator on that play as anyone sitting in the stands.

Those things are why your offense is struggling no matter the QB. It’s on the coaches.

 

[GhostArmOfMarino]

That’s really not true. Historically Qb’s take a few years to develop at the NFL level. Obviously there are the exceptions but very few QB’s come in and are effective immediately. I have no idea if Tua will be one of those QB’s who develops over a few years or will just be another QB who never becomes the QB we hoped he would.
I just have more patience than some on here. I also understand that he is trying to play QB on a team with a barely NFL caliber OL, no running attack and OC’s who call a high school level offensive system.

History is quite irrelevant. You should only be looking at the last 10-15 years which is the modern era of the NFL.

Because the rules are now so stacked in favor of the offense its a lot easier to come in and have immediate success. That "needs 3 years" mindset of the past is outdated.

At most after a year you have an idea what you have, and year two you're looking to see a major jump or move on.

There are exceptions, but QBs like Allen and Manning were not horrible. They flashed incredible and unique skills early on, that is what you're looking at, not a stat line.

 

[Mach2]

I gues it is easy to pick out a few QB’s who were generational QB’s and base that on determining that Tua sucks. Yet if you look at the first 11 games of the careers of Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, John Elway, and many other HOF QB’s, I guess they all sucked too.

I agree that in most cases it takes a few years for a QB to become a top 10 type guy.

You lose me though, when you throw out comps to HOFers.

For every Manning or Brees, there are litterally a hundred other guys who didn't have careers as top level QBs. It's an arguement that, by odds, doesn't bode well for Tua.

 

[Jimi]

That’s really not true. Historically Qb’s take a few years to develop at the NFL level. Obviously there are the exceptions but very few QB’s come in and are effective immediately. I have no idea if Tua will be one of those QB’s who develops over a few years or will just be another QB who never becomes the QB we hoped he would.
I just have more patience than some on here. I also understand that he is trying to play QB on a team with a barely NFL caliber OL, no running attack and OC’s who call a high school level offensive system.

It absolutely is true. Im not saying they all come in and are top 5 QBs, but they all put up big numbers or make amazing highlight plays or something of that nature which gives you hope. Other than Josh Allen, which great QB in the NFL didnt have very early success?

 

[Mach2]

No no no no. Everyone, and I mean everyone, said he was the most ready NFL QB they have ever seen. He shouldn't need any time to adjust.

Many did, but that is not reality for 99.9% of QBs.

In any case, you don't hold what other cool-ade drinking hyperbolics said against the kid himself do you?

 

[Danny]

History is quite irrelevant. You should only be looking at the last 10-15 years which is the modern era of the NFL.

Because the rules are now so stacked in favor of the offense its a lot easier to come in and have immediate success. That "needs 3 years" mindset of the past is outdated.

At most after a year you have an idea what you have, and year two you're looking to see a major jump or move on.

There are exceptions, but QBs like Allen and Manning were not horrible. They flashed incredible and unique skills early on, that is what you're looking at, not a stat line.

While I agree that times have changed and you see QB doing well in their first year and then better in their second year you're failing to point out that Tua was coming off major surgery in his rookie year and only played in a few games instead of playing in every game like some of those other QB's have been able to do. So his rookie year was not a normal one for a rookie QB.

Now we're in year two and he has played one full game and a few plays of the 2nd game so again, we're not talking about a guy that played a full 16 games in year one and has played 3 full games in year two. He may or may not be the QB we need but we just don't know and it's not fair to judge him the way you would a QB that comes into his rookie year fully healthy.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

By that logic I guess all 2nd year QBs are rookies. Mahomes threw 50 TDs his rollie year then. Marino threw 48 TDs his roomie year.

Stop with the excuses. Tua sucks and isn’t a NFL QB.

Not sure what a rollie year is but Mahomes threw exactly ZERO TDs and 1 interception his rookie year. Worthless loser should have been cut on the spot.

 

[AL R]

Looking at the offensive side of the ball..

- you have one of the worst if not the worst Ol in football.
- the backs don’t help blocking and don’t provide explosive plays.
-The OC’s and OL coaches are greenest of green.

The explosive playmakers we do have at wr can’t or aren’t being used schemed probably because of the above.

It sure is easy to put it on the QB though, if only we drafted this other guy.. have no idea how some can make it seem just that simple. I’m not saying Tua doesn’t have any issues but how do you set Tua up with this scenario and expect great success.

 

[artdnj]

If our offense doesn't start going soon it's on Flo if he doesn't make such an important move. We need an experienced successful coordinator period.

 

[AL R]

If our offense doesn't start going soon it's on Flo if he doesn't make such an important move. We need an experienced successful coordinator period.

Not sure he can get one, especially at this point… who would take the job? The others have been dismissed and the guy coming in has to trust Flo is still going to be around for years.

I agree though, maybe things turn out a little differently if Caldwell had stayed.

 

[eMCee85]

Many did, but that is not reality for 99.9% of QBs.

In any case, you don't hold what other cool-ade drinking hyperbolics said against the kid himself do you?

No. I'm just pointing out that people for the most part don't know what the eff they're talking about in a smart ass way!! But seriously, the hype of Tua is what some people are still hanging onto. I just don't get it.

 

[eMCee85]

I guess that means he doesn’t need at least an average offensive line, a running game or decent OC’s either. Because right now he doesn’t any of those things.

No, he does, as does any QB so no argument there. But he really hasn't flashed any signs of this great future HOF that we all heard about either.

 

[Goonies]

When drafting Tua any person whose played football , watched football etc for years knows the oline is key to having success w Tua. I said it in the off-season and worse scenario has happened. Tua cannot take hits like the one that got him hurt. He’s not tannehill who would take about 4 hits like that per game and get up. Tua is barely 6 feet tall. He needs a decent OL and running game and success will occur. Grier sucks , our scouting dept sucks and it’s looking more everyday that Flores suck and I like Flores.