First round Lb? Does it make sense for Miami

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  1. CA Dolfan

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    Yep paying the price of the previous management.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    What couldn't Miami do all season? They couldn't cover anybody's tight end. Some tights who were average at best had their season best game against us. Roquan Smith can cover, better than Alonso. Hes the best coverage linebacker to come out in a while. As much as we need a better offensive line, I take Smith if he's available and juggle the linebackers as needed. We also need an o-lineman and at least one really good tight end.
     
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    Absolutely! and Gase is paying the price for it right now.
     
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    Well, what I saw of Watson opened my eyes. Dynamic and their O scored over 30 a game. Without him they were lame. LT changed the Giants and reinvented the LB position. We need to stumble onto a player like that.
     
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    Didn’t know that. He looks like the real thing and the browns whiffed again because the deshone they took looks clueless out there.
     
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    I couldn't disagree more. Smith is a good player, but coverage isn't his strong suit. That's why I'd avoid him.

    Edmunds is that guy. Kid has wheels. He's the only lber I'd take at 11.
     
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    You can change a team's outlook in ONE offseason. Look at 2016 vs 2017 Saints Vikes Eagles Rams Jags.
    2017 Miami will have 7-9 Different & Improved Starters- HUGE turnover.

    RT17 vs Cutler
    Drake - Ajayi
    Davis - Bushrod
    Raekwon- Alonso
    TJ - Allen
    NEW LG (Propose Draft Rd2 or RD3) -Steen
    Tank vs Maxwell
    New Center (Propose Jansen) vs Pouncey
    TE RD 2 - Thomas

    RD1 Derwin James or Edmunds or CB should see significant snaps.
    RD2 /RD 3/FA - improve TE & LG
    I'm expecting 10 Wins.
     
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    I just can’t believe you used in the same sentence a legendary, all time great who truly changed the game to someone who played half a season. I honestly thought you where trying to be sarcastic.
     
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    off athleticism, I would play Edmunds at MLB but depending on his intelligence I would move him to SLB.
     
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    Would have to say no at the moment. We have a bunch of young guys in Hewitt, Allen, and Anthony who have some potential. Add in a healthy Raekwon and its a decent group. LB Fred Warner from BYU in the 3rd is ideal.

    What the team needs right now is a player whose going to change the way teams plan against us. I don't think Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds are those guys. Unfortunately Luke Kuechly's and Lavonte David's don't come around often.
     
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    There are a handful of other teams Kiko would be the starter on. You extremely overrate the linebacking corps of plenty of teams.
     
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    Coverage isn't...Smith's...what? WHAT
     
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    RM MLB
    Edmunds SAM
    Kiko WLB
     
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    Kiko
    Any team inwhich Kiko starts is a bad LB core.
     
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    Yep but only if the talent is there
     
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    How about Aaron Rogers or Ray Lewis or someone proven? Watson - yeah, probably too soon.
     
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    Yes, he tore his left ACL in 2014 when he was playing for Clemson.
     
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    Why am I the only one not enamored with Edmunds?

    I watched his cut up from the Okay State game and I saw traits similar to Kiko, except Edmunds looks way bigger.

    I'm sure I need to watch more film but just looking at that singular game.... ugh.
     
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    Miami can't get it right in the first round. So many bad picks so history does not bode well for them. They absolutely have to get it right this year.

    There are so many weaknesses on this roster that they don't even have to lock in on LB. just get an immediate impact starter. Wherever it is.

    I'm hoping for QB.
     
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    We know.
     
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    You just snap your fingers, bring the card up and ...... poof, a pro bowl QB, don'tcha know!
     
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    Yep. With Edmunds and Kiko in the nickel

    That’s how I see them playing it if Edmunds is the pick. Provided he gets by Oakland at 10
     
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    If Derwin James is available at 11, you have to pull the trigger. He is a big safety that can play both strong and free. He is also excellent in run support. With the league passing the ball 58-60 percent of the tine it makes sense to draft him.
     
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    That’s not enough poa play and fill at the lb level. Primary reason

    They could do it but the offset is poa and gap fill with Kiko at mike and smith at weak

    Nickel with Kiko and smith you have a ton of range and are begging to have the ball run downhill on you.

    And in this scheme if you don’t stop the run you won’t stop anything. Lb level reads run reacts to pass don’t stop run you will never defend the pass
     
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    So you're saying Smith won't be good at the POA in the NFL like he was in college? Don't agree. A guy with a 123 solo tackles, 15 tackles for a loss, can play on any defense and do it well.

     
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    I’m saying miamis scheme puts an emphasis on poa and gap fill at the lb level and size for it even.

    None of which is a strength of Roquan smiths.

    Patrick Willis wasn’t 6 foot and 230 lbs either. Where do they come up with that stuff

    I’ve heard the name jonothan Vilma as the comp although I think Vilma had better size too. Size wise I think it’s eric Kendrick’s by and large with better speed but less inside the box read and diag

    That’s a run and chase clip which shows off the elite range. No argument with that his range is elite
     
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    Edmunds is big and fast enough to cover TEs and I like the Dolphins connection
     
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    Edmunds or Smith at #11 could be distinct possibilities.

    Edmunds is probably the better immediate fit since he is a strong side linebacker.
     
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    You have to hope you don’t get to pick at number eleven again for a long time, so you have to go BPA, especially if there is a quarterback you can project as your future franchise. Some combine wonder works his way into the top ten and you get lucky with a gem at eleven, you take it.
     
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    The kid can play. Don't care what the scheme is.
     
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    This position is a bit of a conundrum in that the Dolphins use too many linebackers and defensive linemen as things stand, so adding more of those to the mix wouldn't necessarily help. Then again, the linebackers they do have (depending on how Raekwon turns out) are inadequate.
     
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    Not really. But you keep trying until you get the guy.

    Miami QBs drafted since Brady in 2000:

    2001 Heupel (6th)
    2007 Beck (2nd)
    2008 Henne (2nd)
    2009 White (2nd)
    2012 Tannehill (1st)
    2016 Doughty (7th)
     
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    We tend to agree on a lot, but I have to disagree here. Relative to most classes, this LB group looks very strong. Smith, Edmunds, Vander Esch, Sam, and Jefferson all have the combination of instincts, speed, and physicality to produce early starters with high ceilings. There are obviously disparities within that group, but I'd take the group over the 2017 top 5 LB's, and definitely the 2016 and 2015 groups. In a draft with few strengths, LB stands out in a good way. I'll be interested to see if Edmunds really does blow up the Combine. Have a feeling some of the claims are overstated. Not factoring his age, which rightfully gives him a bump, he's behind Smith, Vander Esch, Sam, and Jefferson as a player. Him being about 2 years younger than everyone but Smith does hold weight/complicate the rankings.
     
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    I'm not taking Edmunds over Derwin James.
    Still prefer trade down if my top tier is gone.
     
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    His speed and agility measureables will be very important.
    I'm personally not a fan at #11 partially because I dont value SAM position unless he can play 3 downs and additionally don't see dynamic instincts.
    Unless I see Keuchly or Foster type or Jaylen Smith pre injury I'm not pulling trigger at 11.
    Give me Derwin James. Minkah. Chubb. A shutdown CB.
     
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    You can play Smith at WLB, Raequon MLB and sign a SAM like the Philly kid.
    This would be my preference.
    You can keep Smith on field and play big Nickel with 3 safeties/ 3 CBs Smith and your front 4.
     
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    After watching the super bowl, Derwin James makes a ton of sense if he's on the board.

    It was eye opening how neither defense could stop the opposing offense. Both quarterbacks were getting rid of the ball so quickly and essentially negating the pass rush.

    I think maybe the secondary is now more important than the pass rush.
     
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    I understand that you arent. Im just saying what I think they would do

    If it’s me I’m probably gonna turn in the derwin james card. I just think he gives us the best chance to carry coverage on tight ends with his size length and speed combo.

    But in the event miami does what I think they would in tremaine Edmunds at 11 given the size the poa play the speed and the thinking he can play 3 downs and pair with Kiko for 2018 DeShon Elliott at 43 makes a lot of sense to me. Difference being unlike James I don’t think he has the jam and thump physicality off the los to lock up tight ends. To me he’s more the interchangeable box/centerfield type. If Miami wants to play dimei think he fits even if he may not be the true pure centerfield type so miami can use tj McDonald in a hybrid role. I don’t see hybrid with DeShon Elliott. I see pure safety.

    I might be able to get that dime center field type in free agency also cheap or later in the draft cheap even although I’m sure miamis gonna want sure tacklers and that doesn’t sit around long when paired with centerfield range

    Should miami go james and wait on lb til later I think Vander Esch and Leonard on upside make sense. They both have the length and size speed that the scheme prefers even if both are still filling out it’s not hard to project another 5 or so lbs of good weight on those frames and maintaining the athlete

    I still think the best pure lb instincts I have seen in the class belong to Josey Jewell and someone’s gonna get a hell of a bargain late on day 2 there but it’s probably not the right fit for us and as a plan a it’s probably 2 down
     
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    Three consecutive 2nd round picks on QB's, that's almost Matt Millen esque with the WR's in the 1st.
     

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