Fitzpatrick, Rosen Begin Qb Competition In Miami

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  1. BlueFin

    BlueFin Seer of Visions Finheaven VIP

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    The whole league knew they were drafting Murray and HAD to trade Rosen, creating a buyers market....Rosen’s rumors persisted, even the false narrative he didn’t want to compete.... QB needy teams drafted QB’s...

    The fact is Rosen is a very polished, outstanding passer... and if the those rumors are false, Miami scores big!
     
  2. Jimi

    Jimi The World Is Yours

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    That's great. It was a buyer's market for him, we agree. But it was still a market. All of what you said was true, but the Dolphins were just one of 30 other teams who also knew all this. And still none of those 30 offered more than we did.

    Here's to hoping he becomes a star for us.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Perennial All-Pro

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    IMO that quote from him and whoever will wind up an embarrassing one.
     
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    We’ll see... if not our Dolphins will find glory again!
     
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    I agree. Not a good quote from McShay. He's my favorite public draft analyst right now but most of these guys are still far too reluctant to accept a deviation from norm like Kyler Murray. That's why the 11+ YPA is such a valuable reference point. It is incredibly difficult to put up that type of number, given the number of passes involved. Too many of the traditional scouts and analysts somehow think it is beneath them to check the most relevant stats. That's how the league ends up with Daniel Jones and his lifetime 6.4 YPA as the 6th pick.

    I don't understand all this arguing about the 10th slot in the draft. It is a long-ago reference point, just like the 5-star high school recruiting designation is a long-ago reference point. Rosen happens to own both of those. Either you believe in that type of thing or you don't. Countless fans and analysts and scouts don't care at all and devote exclusively to their most recent opinions of the most recent games. That approach will come out ahead a certain percentage of the time. I happen to favor the long term and early evaluation route, which is why I savor preseason ratings while acknowledging that many fans scoff at them.

    Market conditions will feature some of each. People don't like it when I mention horse racing often but there are plenty of parallels. Rosen would be like that horse who was excellent at 2 but then struggled and fell out of favor, even in his own barn. That's fine but the market can't discount him completely, not given the past performance chart. He would be in that whispered wise guy second tier, like a 10/1 or 12/1 shot. I'll take that every time above a Tannehill type, who was like a maiden sucker horse with late square money shoving him up to 8/1 based on nice conformation and meaningless late workouts.
     
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    djphinfan Perennial All-Pro

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    This is a rough one for me Awsi when it comes to Rosen..and that’s because over the years I always think about what you say, which is to trust your initial instinct and don’t Deviate from that..

    I really follow this philosophy with prospects and usually, even though some go through early struggles, I find that sticking with the evaluation usually works out in my favor.

    I’ve watched every Rep from his rookie year, and I’m concerned..I know he was too young and not ready to start, I know his team and coach were below average across the board, but some of the things I saw I can’t get over right now and has me questioning everything..

    I absolutely would of done exactly what the cardinals did and a select Murray #1 and trade Rosen, I would of been much more professional in the process of Rosen’s departure but whatever, they made the right personnel move imo.

    I don’t mind the compensation for Rosen, the talent and brains is worth a shot and doesn’t take me out of what I want next year, but man, the kid was not comfortable playing Qb last year, not comfortable with his own personal rhythm, the tempo of the game, he simply could not multitask during the game..

    I believe you can learn a lot about a QB when protections breaks down, instinctually, athletically, and it was pretty poor..

    It’s all hope and no confidence at this point.
     
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    djphinfan Perennial All-Pro

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    Were do for a break for sure,

    Right now Rosen is behind Tua, Herbert and Love so the glory may not matter Blue.
     
  8. Phinatic8u

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    Don't want Herbert or Love anywhere near this team. Overrated quarterbacks waste 5 years of a team's chances of winning.
     
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    Ok, maybe so, but I’ve got another year of games to come to that conclusion personally..
     
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    Not sure how you can equate the situation (dysfunction) Josh Rosen was thrown into and come to your conclusion...his rookie year was on the same level as Darnold and Allen...with all 5 starting lineman out on IR by mid season... and his first start was game 4... OC fired a couple of games into his career....constant pressure sacked 45 times in 13 games.... hardly a fair situation for a rookie!
     
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    I understand what happened and the context, regardless of what the surrounding elements are there are still things you can evaluate in isolation.

    They could of simply overwhelmed him to a point where he lost his confidence, which then directly affects everything mentally including simple fundamentals.

    But when it gets that bad it does get concerning, for me anyways.

    Whatever he puts on tape this year, it has to inspire real hope that he can be as good than next years top prospects..
     
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  12. iwastherein1972

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    If Bokamper hangs onto theisman's tipped pass and scores, Woodley's (and John Riggins') career might look altogether different.

    And he might still be alive today too.

    And those Dolphins would probably have gone down in history as the worst, and fluke-iest, team to ever win a Super Bowl.
     
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  13. volk

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    You keep trumpeting this narrative as though being comparable to Darnold or Allen is some sort of positive. Both those QB’s played typical mediocre to poor rookie campaigns and both their organizations are still in full blown “Hope” mode. Both of those two QB’s may well remain average at best or bust completely. If Rosen showed Mayfield quality last year, you might have a point, but he didn’t.

    You value Rosen based on his college resume and are choosing to completely ignore his rookie NFL campaign. No GM has done this (not should they), which is why he was so cheap. Whether you want to accept it or not, the FACT is that Rosen is indeed a second round pick now and must fight to prove he is worth even that second round value.
     
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    the bottom line . dolphins need qb? if they plan on winning afc east. I am here support Rosen. I will know if he is answer. time will tell.
     
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    Rosen's rookie year was not comparable to Darnold's. He averaged 1.1 less YPA than Darnold, threw more INT's than TD's, and had a passer rating 9.9 points worse. It was a good trade and a good bet, but Rosen had a truly awful rookie year - regardless of his situation. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around. It just means that the odds are against him, which is fine. At the price Miami paid, any chance at success would represent a good value.
     

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