Five years problem fix with one pick !

[tommyp]

i will evaluate this pick around week 3 when it 3rd and 2 and Tannehill IS NOT in the shotgun and we run it down their throat.. i love a team that can pound the ball when the defense knows what's coming.

Then it will totally open things up for Tannehill.

 

[Dmarino110]

Would have been nice if we could have fixed the problem and gotten a 3rd to move down a few spots. And still gotten him in the 2nd round

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[JTC111]

Interesting quote from Bill Polian the other day. To paraphrase, if you trade down 5 places in the first round, there is about a 90% chance that the player you want won't be there.

I'm pretty sure he means in cases where you're targeting 1st round talent. But if you're targeting 2nd round talent, as we were, I'm betting the odds are a lot more in your favor.

 

[ajimen05]

I agree with this...just look at Dallas taking Zach Martin. Unexpected.

 

[JTC111]

im not too sure this guy is the "fix". he showed up to the combine "flabby" and had an offensive line worst 22 reps at the combine. shows me hes weak and fat. not good

I'm pretty sure the worst # of reps a tackle did at the combines was 21. It doesn't look like this guy likes to spend much time in the weight room. Thanks Hickey.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

This pick wouldn't have been made if the last GM hadn't screwed up the OL and the last draft so badly.

We should have had Brandon Albert and Lane Johnson LAST season. We would be moving into season 2 with a solid OL. Instead, Ireland went with the "BPA" in Jordan and he wasn't able to crack the starting lineup on a mediocre defense. So much for the "experts" and their BPA analysis.

Anyone of this forum who claims to "know" who the BPA was is just full of crap. Period. I watched at least half of the picks last night get drafted when they were listed as Mel's BPA. Mel's list isn't gospel and neither is yours.

Anybody who wanted a repeat of last year's draft debacle is nuts. The Dolphins NEED to draft starters not part time contributors or multi-year projects.

Hickey had offers to trade down and weighed the risk of losing the player they wanted against the gain of a pick. Also, I guessing that only 25% - 30% of the players picked in the third round ever make it in the NFL.

So to all the complainers:

1. Stop pretending that you know James would have been available at 27, you don't.
2. Stop pretending that you know how James and whoever else you wanted at 19 will turn out, you don't.
3. Stop pretending you know how the Dolphins had players ranked, you don't.
4. Stop pretending that you know that whoever the Dolphins would have picked with the extra pick will turn out, you don't.

The pick of James should be evaluated on how well he plays. If he turns into a solid multi-year starter at RT, then it was a good pick. If not, it was a bad pick.

 

[NRA]

Sorry, sloppy technique guys who can't run block or even down field block and have poor work ethic and no power can be had in round 3. This pick is on par with picks like Phillip Merling and Jason Allen. Sure, they had the measureables, they just were not good picks.

DIGITAL: I am one of those folks who didnt like where he was picked. i like the player, but, he could have been taken lower. thats all been hashed. the draft heads on nfl network and espn had him as a big time riser because he had great pre draft workouts and improved every year he played. that means he can be coached and learns quick and our o-line coach should be able to fix the SMALL hitches in his game.

i saw ONE write up in a mag [nfl draft] that were somewhat close to your criticism, but not as harsh. that mag, after going through it was one of those who's reports were done maybe even before the combine. they were not up to par on MANY players in that mag. so........., i give you below what LINDY'S has to say about him. PLEASE read.

WITH A SCHOOL RECORD OF 49 CONSECUTIVE STARTS FOR THE VOLS, james is more fundamentally sound than talented jr left tackle antonio richardson and offers a similar package of size and athleticism. with strong pre draft workouts, it wouldnt be surprising to see james rise from a 3rd or 4th round level to to second or even FIRST ROUND consideration due to experience and continued improvement.

STRENGTHS: alert and comfortable at right tackle. recognizes stunts and line games. surprising initial quickness, lateral agility and flexibility for his monstrous frame.

POWERFUL and COMPETITIVE with grit to KNOCK DEFENDERS OFF THE BALL AND CONTINUE DOWN FIELD. plays to DOMINATE one on one battles letting his hands do the work with good body control.

CAN SLIDE to protect the edge against the variety of speed rushers he faced in the SEC.

TECHNICALLY SOUND, MAINTAINS POSITION TO MIRROR. surprisingly light feet, natural power and quickness off the ball. can also play guard.


WEAKNESSES: Because of his massive frame, pad level is a constant battle. drops his head when run blocking and is a target for swim moves. gets over his feet when on the run "brushing" opponents to maintain course down field.

GRADE: 7.1

not quite your assessment DIGITAL, as you can see. and "SLOPPY TECHNIC" is no where implied. actually, just the opposite!! big men always have a problem with pad level but the kid is coachable and our line coach WILL improve that. just not a glaring weakness. and the other two, all VERY fixable. but as with most o-line scout reports, some of the players weaknesses are contrary to what they said about the players strengths. and a 7.1 grade is damn good.

dont like the fact they didnt trade down, but, as some have mentioned, if he is a 10 year starter on the line, all is forgiven [like pouncy]. and the thing i REALLY LIKE? its the fact RT is his natural position and he has been playing it most of his football life. i hate it when we draft guys and try to work them in at other spots they havnt played. PHILBIN said that james pass blocking was stellar with exellent feet and super strong anchor. plus he is durable which is a plus because we have been plagued with injuries to the 0-line for a few years now. his run blocking is well above average and will get better with nfl tutoring. LOOK AT the top 5 or so linemen in this draft. ALL of them had knocks on their game and a few like mathews and lewan need serious work with their feet. when you compare weaknesses between james and the top 4 ot's, james fairs out better than them in a few areas namely footwork, lateral slide and mirroring and big initial punch which is important in pass blocking to knock the defender off his path.

in closing, james is a great RT choice. we could have gotten him a couple pics later, but, they had him as their guy and felt he had the most ready pass blocking skills of the ot's. they are obviously bent on fixing this o-line first as we need it and they need to take that issue off the board so they can properly evaluate tanny in the last year of his contract. hickey inherited him and has no ties. if tanny still wiffs on his down field, big plays and continues to hold the ball to long and not progress with throwing in anticipation, they WILL NOT pay him the big money.

now all they have to do is come up with a way to grab XFS and this line has the ability to be one of the best in the nfl.

 

[NRA]

So much for the "experts" and their BPA analysis.

the "so called experts" all said jordan was taken to high and his pass rush was iffy. not good news when picking a player 3rd over all to be a big time pass rusher. AND, he had a lingering injury that proved part of his downfall last season.

he was NOT best player on my board at all. for the very reasons the scouts mentioned and his injury.

YES, BPA is debatable and fans and media types have NO idea how a teams draft board is set. we were tied to james as a choice in the draft and i believe, as philbin said that he was the unanimous choice for the first pic from the get-go and there un willingness to trade down backs that up. they coveted the player that much and were NOT going to lose him. we shall see if it was a wise move or not in a few months.

but, there were absolutely db's available when we picked who were better at playing db than james is at playing tackle. with the influx of big time wr's in our division and in the nfl in general, we should have gone there first as our secondary, outside of one guy is poo and can not compete against top wr's and te's. in todays nfl [see seattle] you have to have big time db's across the board to shut down these poteent passing attacks that are in vogue in the nfl right now.

no one KNOWS how a team rates BPA, but, most can figure out what the BPA is on what players are available. and as we have seen, that doent always mean the team took bpa.

dude!! your on tilt man!!! its supposed to be fun. put out the flames!! :fire:

 

[dolpns13]

It remains to be seen if the RT spot is fixed or not. If James turns out to be a bust, then it isn't fixed and the problem will remain.

Every single team can say that about every single player theyve drafted.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

You don't know that he won't bust.

I don't think he will bust. But he might.

 

[zach attach]

I rolled with Hickey in the offseason, I'll roll with Hickey in the draft. He blows it, I'll stand by my misguided trust. Now go make this team better Hicks..

 

[utahphinsfan]

4. Stop pretending that you know that whoever the Dolphins would have picked with the extra pick will turn out, you don't.

Bingo! There were shloads of threads/comments about how picking Jordan was a mistake. The so called rationale being that that the 12th pick & the 2nd rounder sent to Oakland would have netted better players.

For the record, BPA is hokum. It is very subjective and still has an element of need to it.

 

[Digital]

NRA:

I do enjoy the Lindy's draft magazine. One of my favorite parts is how they are universally optimistic about every prospect. They give out a lot of good grades. But, when we look back at our stack of Lindy draft magazines from years gone by, and I do, we find that they are not particularly accurate and tend not to be the most sound scouting available in draft publications.

I evaluate using my own eyes and watch the games. I see lots of sloppy technique.
I see a kid who did poorly on his bench press and it matches up with my eyeball test that says he run blocks poorly. I see a poor 40 time and it matches the eyeball test that he doesn't block well downfield. I see him show up at the combine out of shape and under performing and it matches up with what I've heard that he isn't a hard worker.

Lots of red flags.

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[BahamaFinFan78]

This pick wouldn't have been made if the last GM hadn't screwed up the OL and the last draft so badly.

We should have had Brandon Albert and Lane Johnson LAST season. We would be moving into season 2 with a solid OL. Instead, Ireland went with the "BPA" in Jordan and he wasn't able to crack the starting lineup on a mediocre defense. So much for the "experts" and their BPA analysis.

Anyone of this forum who claims to "know" who the BPA was is just full of crap. Period. I watched at least half of the picks last night get drafted when they were listed as Mel's BPA. Mel's list isn't gospel and neither is yours.

Anybody who wanted a repeat of last year's draft debacle is nuts. The Dolphins NEED to draft starters not part time contributors or multi-year projects.

Hickey had offers to trade down and weighed the risk of losing the player they wanted against the gain of a pick. Also, I guessing that only 25% - 30% of the players picked in the third round ever make it in the NFL.

So to all the complainers:

1. Stop pretending that you know James would have been available at 27, you don't.
2. Stop pretending that you know how James and whoever else you wanted at 19 will turn out, you don't.
3. Stop pretending you know how the Dolphins had players ranked, you don't.
4. Stop pretending that you know that whoever the Dolphins would have picked with the extra pick will turn out, you don't.

The pick of James should be evaluated on how well he plays. If he turns into a solid multi-year starter at RT, then it was a good pick. If not, it was a bad pick.

1. No way we would have had Albert AND Johnson. If we traded for Albert, we would not have been able to trade up for Johnson and he was not going to fall to 12. They also thought they had something with Martin.
2. Jordan was not the BPA available at the #3 pick last year. No one I knew thought so. We could have gotten just as much "value" as Jordan if we would have just stayed at 12.
3. James was definitely not the BPA when we picked at 19. No one thought that. It was definitely a reach by Hickey because he drafted for need. He needed and O-lineman and took an O-lineman. I just hate the strategy of drafting for need. You never want to bypass better talent to get someone you need to fill a hole.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

1. No way we would have had Albert AND Johnson. If we traded for Albert, we would not have been able to trade up for Johnson and he was not going to fall to 12.

Could have traded 2014 picks.

They also thought they had something with Martin.

Ireland was strong, that is why his is gone.

2. Jordan was not the BPA available at the #3 pick last year. No one I knew thought so. We could have gotten just as much "value" as Jordan if we would have just stayed at 12.

Obviously Ireland didn't agree with you, otherwise he doesn't trade up to take a player that is not a high need.

3. James was definitely not the BPA when we picked at 19. No one thought that.

Not according to what Hickey has stated.

It was definitely a reach by Hickey because he drafted for need. He needed and O-lineman and took an O-lineman. I just hate the strategy of drafting for need. You never want to bypass better talent to get someone you need to fill a hole.

And I hate drafting exclusively for BPA because (a) the experts are wrong a high % of the time. and (b) even if they are right, the player might not fit your team (Jordan) or may be a player at a position you are already strong in (Jordan)