For those so quick to start the Ireland, hicky debate. ..

[psfign]

Overblow>.... lol Kid, read what you wrote ?? "ireland 'so your moms a prostitute?' and NOW WERE done here.... :)

dude, show some class...dont 'kid' me because my opinion differs from yours. I'm probably twice your age.

 

[where's th'fish]

Funny how Ireland gets killed for asking the prostitute question and Incog gets a pass from a lot of folks for saying unspeakable things to Martin. Not that I give Martin a pass, either, but Ireland just seems frank to the point of rudeness to me, no more than that.

 

[Yessir]

Hickey is going to judged off the draft and next seasons results. Right now, he's done nothing but make moves on paper.

 

[Spesh]

Atrocious GMs leave their team in shambles after six years. Ireland left us in pretty good shape. Would you rather have the GM who drafted Gabbert, Ponder, Locker or Mark S.? Would you rather have the GM who traded a #1 for Trent Richardson and gave a big contract to Erik Walden? For all the talk of overpaying, would you rather be the cap-strapped team that needs to restructure deals year in and year out just to stay in the same place? When Tannehill starts connecting with Wallace, does Ireland at least get a nod?

The simple truth is that every single GM/QB/HC that leaves Miami is the worst ever. Every time. Even if they have rings. And the new guy is always the savior. It's typical overreaction. Not reflection, emotional reaction. I'm not going to try to fight against that, but it's so predictable.

Chad Henne and Pat White were clearly better solutions than those you listed, clearly.
Ireland wouldnt have traded for Trent Richardson. Instead, he traded a player he spent a first round pick for a second round pick and traded a player he spent two second round picks for two third round picks. Thats much better.
Justin Smiley, Jake Grove, Gibril Wilson, and others did get big contracts and did leave us in strapped for cash, especially in 2011. Also, we stayed in the same exact place without restructuring our deals. That place was around .500.
If Tannehill starts connecting with Wallace, its because our offensive line will be blocking properly. What was Ireland's history with that unit again?

Not that any of your reasons were compelling(what other teams have done wrong doesnt have anything to do with Irelands failures, two wrongs dont make a right after all), but Ireland isnt the worst general manager we've had, though that says more about this franchise than it does Jeff Ireland. Its hard to top the epic incompetence of Dave Wannstedt. That said, i dont remember Wannstedt throwing a temper tantrum on his way out the door by airing all the dirty laundry(that he created). And Wannstedt owned up and resigned. How many people did Ireland try and throw under the bus?

Ireland was atrocious. He was one of the worst GM's in the league during his time here.

 

[Valandui]

Atrocious GMs leave their team in shambles after six years. Ireland left us in pretty good shape. Would you rather have the GM who drafted Gabbert, Ponder, Locker or Mark S.? Would you rather have the GM who traded a #1 for Trent Richardson and gave a big contract to Erik Walden? For all the talk of overpaying, would you rather be the cap-strapped team that needs to restructure deals year in and year out just to stay in the same place? When Tannehill starts connecting with Wallace, does Ireland at least get a nod?

The simple truth is that every single GM/QB/HC that leaves Miami is the worst ever. Every time. Even if they have rings. And the new guy is always the savior. It's typical overreaction. Not reflection, emotional reaction. I'm not going to try to fight against that, but it's so predictable.

I would take Ryan Grigson as our GM in a heartbeat.

 

[Lilseb93]

regardless of how bad ireland was, there's no need to rush to judgement on hickey. he hasnt done anything yet.

I see one difference. They said they would resign Grimes and not franchise tag him. Ireland would have franchise tagged him anyways. Hickey got him a good deal and made him feel welcomed. Both sides got what they wanted. I feel Hickey has a more likable personality.

 

[OnDaChainWax]

Chad Henne and Pat White were clearly better solutions than those you listed, clearly.
Ireland wouldnt have traded for Trent Richardson. Instead, he traded a player he spent a first round pick for a second round pick and traded a player he spent two second round picks for two third round picks. Thats much better.
Justin Smiley, Jake Grove, Gibril Wilson, and others did get big contracts and did leave us in strapped for cash, especially in 2011. Also, we stayed in the same exact place without restructuring our deals. That place was around .500.
If Tannehill starts connecting with Wallace, its because our offensive line will be blocking properly. What was Ireland's history with that unit again?

Not that any of your reasons were compelling(what other teams have done wrong doesnt have anything to do with Irelands failures, two wrongs dont make a right after all), but Ireland isnt the worst general manager we've had, though that says more about this franchise than it does Jeff Ireland. Its hard to top the epic incompetence of Dave Wannstedt. That said, i dont remember Wannstedt throwing a temper tantrum on his way out the door by airing all the dirty laundry(that he created). And Wannstedt owned up and resigned. How many people did Ireland try and throw under the bus?

Ireland was atrocious. He was one of the worst GM's in the league during his time here.

Tannehil connecting with Wallace has nothing to do with Ireland nor the offensive line.

Ireland wasnt atrocious as a whole, bad yes but atrocious? No. However, in the cut-throat business world of today its, "what have you done for me lately?" And at the time of his departure, lately was 2 injured cornerback selections that couldnt compete for a start, a maimed QB, an abysmal jump for an injured 1st rounder at the least position of need on our team, and another year removed from the playoffs. According to his latest lately, he was beyond atrocious.

Listen, theres no way he was atrocious for his entire stint and I'll easily explain why- if we make the playoffs Ireland is still a Dolphin.

I didnt like Ireland very much, BTW. I didnt want to beat him with a pitchfork but if I happened to be walking by while he was getting beat, i wouldnt break stride.

 

[finomenal]

Marc Colombo.

That is all that needs to be said on the subject.

 

[Spesh]

Tannehil connecting with Wallace has nothing to do with Ireland nor the offensive line.

Ireland wasnt atrocious as a whole, bad yes but atrocious? No. However, in the cut-throat business world of today its, "what have you done for me lately?" And at the time of his departure, lately was 2 injured cornerback selections that couldnt compete for a start, a maimed QB, an abysmal jump for an injured 1st rounder at the least position of need on our team, and another year removed from the playoffs. According to his latest lately, he was beyond atrocious.

Listen, theres no way he was atrocious for his entire stint and I'll easily explain why- if we make the playoffs Ireland is still a Dolphin.

I didnt like Ireland very much, BTW. I didnt want to beat him with a pitchfork but if I happened to be walking by while he was getting beat, i wouldnt break stride.

"What have you done for me lately" doesnt cover half a decade. The "lately" part of that is the key.
Ireland chose those 2 corners. He actually chose more than 2 injured/injury prone corners. Ask Jamar Taylor and his shredded kidney.
He drafted said maimed quarterback, and if the quarterback wasn't maimed beforehand Jeff Ireland made sure he was after.
Draft isnt for need, its for talent. Ireland actually did the right thing going after he most athletic prospect in the draft in Dion Jordan. Sadly, the rest of his draft was ****.

Yes, if we make the playoffs Ireland isnt fired. But that doesnt mean much, we have a **** owner. 6 years in, i want a Superbowl ring. Not only could Ireland not deliver that, 5 out of 6 times he couldnt deliver a winning record. Meanwhile, other franchises built consistent success within a year. The Seahawks regime was hired in 2009, Jeff Ireland was hired in 2008. Ireland was atrocious.

 

[SWS84]

Time will tell when it comes to the draft and FA signings, but so far, when it comes to personality and likability, Hickey far outshines Ireland. NOBODY likes playing for and working with a dick. I think we are going to be a better team and organization this year because folks will be happier without Ireland around.

 

[where's th'fish]

Meanwhile, other franchises built consistent success within a year. The Seahawks regime was hired in 2009, Jeff Ireland was hired in 2008. Ireland was atrocious.

And meanwhile, other franchises have been consistently worse. No, he wasn't atrocious. Mediocre is the right word.

Also, I didn't list any 2nd rounders as comparable picks to Tannehill, only 1st rounders. The list of 2nd round QB busts league-wide is as long as Proust. I'll add that if you're not willing to give Ireland credit for picking Tannehill, a player who can help us win for the 15 years when bust rates for 1st round QBs are about 50%, and when many thought he was a reach, you're seriously biased.

 

[OnDaChainWax]

"What have you done for me lately" doesnt cover half a decade. The "lately" part of that is the key.
Ireland chose those 2 corners. He actually chose more than 2 injured/injury prone corners. Ask Jamar Taylor and his shredded kidney.
He drafted said maimed quarterback, and if the quarterback wasn't maimed beforehand Jeff Ireland made sure he was after.
Draft isnt for need, its for talent. Ireland actually did the right thing going after he most athletic prospect in the draft in Dion Jordan. Sadly, the rest of his draft was ****.

Yes, if we make the playoffs Ireland isnt fired. But that doesnt mean much, we have a **** owner. 6 years in, i want a Superbowl ring. Not only could Ireland not deliver that, 5 out of 6 times he couldnt deliver a winning record. Meanwhile, other franchises built consistent success within a year. The Seahawks regime was hired in 2009, Jeff Ireland was hired in 2008. Ireland was atrocious.

Don't know why youd repeat points i had already made but at least itll solidify them.

And, respectfully Spesh, if you think the draft is not for need and jumping up for Jordan was the right thing to do, you lose all credibility in regards to "general manager" critique.

 

[Spesh]

And meanwhile, other franchises have been consistently worse. No, he wasn't atrocious. Mediocre is the right word.

Also, I didn't list any 2nd rounders as comparable picks to Tannehill, only 1st rounders. The list of 2nd round QB busts league-wide is as long as Proust. I'll add that if you're not willing to give Ireland credit for picking Tannehill, a player who can help us win for the 15 years when bust rates for 1st round QBs are about 50%, and when many thought he was a reach, you're seriously biased.

Ah, so we should be thankful that we are merely consistently mediocre? Okay.

Jeff Ireland considered Chad Henne a franchise quarterback. Does that make it worse or better that he was a second round pick?
And if we are going to discuss first round picks being busts, i could direct you at the first overall pick that is no longer on this roster. Not that its acceptable for a GM to hit on first rounders and bust on the rest of the draft, its simply not that difficult to find 15(where we've been drafting for most of Ireland's tenure) to 30 players to draft in a class of hundreds. Where good GM's shine is correctly understanding value. Understanding that they can grab the player they covet in the 3rd round instead of rushing to turn in the card with their name on it in the first round.
And its irrelevant that some in the media thought Tannehill was a reach. Ireland was paid millions of dollars and had access to view every snap he took and talk to every coach that ever instructed him. In fact, he had more access than most considering Tannehill's coach was our offensive coordinator. He should know better than some talking heads. And even then, Tannehill wasnt the best quarterback we could have drafted: Russell Wilson was. And how did our second round pick work out in that same draft class?

Jeff Ireland was atrocious. He was one of the worst general managers in the league during his tenure here.

 

[Spesh]

Don't know why youd repeat points i had already made but at least itll solidify them.

And, respectfully Spesh, if you think the draft is not for need and jumping up for Jordan was the right thing to do, you lose all credibility in regards to "general manager" critique.

By all means, consider me discredited. But first, instruct me why a players rookie season is more important than the rest of his career? No one on here has been able to "teach me" when it comes to that point. Ive asked that at multiple times, but people seem to always be busy when its time to answer that question. Totally weird.
In a year without a standout prospect, leaping up to grab the one truly athletic freak was absolutely the right call. Could we have gotten an equally talented player at 12? Well, yes. And Ireland ****ed up there. But getting a pass rusher with insane potential doesnt suck.

And no one will ever convince me that the draft is there for filling needs. The draft is there to get players that are suppose to be on your roster for the next 5-10 years. Drafting for need means you will be reaching for players that do not warrant being selected. It directly leads to busts. Meanwhile, the teams that draft based on their board continue to be competitive for years and years to come.

 

[where's th'fish]

Jake Long was a bust? Wow. I missed that memo.

Any GM in the world will look atrocious if you only look at his bad decisions and write off the good ones as "he had access to every snap he played". Every team has access to every snap every player played. And it's still a huge deal to find a quality QB.

I'll show you: Seattle GM? He sucks! Matt Flynn. Tavaris Jackson. Charlie Whitehurst. He trades a first for Harvin, and he's healthy for one game. What, he won the SB? Sure, that's his job. Nothing special about that.

Now repeat after me, "thank you for Tanny, Jeff". See, it wasn't that hard!