Who was 10-2? that's a damn fine record! Sign him up.
Forgotten Matt Moore; Dan Marino on Peyton Manning’s future
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Who was 10-2? that's a damn fine record! Sign him up.
No it can't. THEY didn't have COLUMBO to deal with. I'm talking SPECIFICS, friend. In all of those games, COLUMBO's inept pass protecition led DIRECTLY to at least 5 stalled drives, if not a BIG turnover (like at DALLAS). What would a TD or even 2 FGs have meant? Or in the case of DALLAS, what would NOT turning the ball over to DALLAS at the MIAMI 8 have meant?
There IS such a thing as cause-and-effect. Deal w/it! We lost ALL of the games mentioned by 3 points or less. With anyone else, down to and including DONALD DUCK, at RT, we win all 4 of MOORE's games, and the CLEVELAND game as well.
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I remember back when ferrotte was here. He did a good job and they ditched him in their rush to get a 'franchise QB'.
It just doesn't work that way. The good teams draft QB's and then GROOM them in their systems. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, Brees didn't play well at first that's why they drafted Rivers, Rodgers sat behind Farve for years.
You don't make a team better by signing expensive veterens. Just ask the owner of the redskins or jerry Jones how that works out. It takes planning and patience and an owner that doesn't meddle to build a good team. Look at the good teams that are out there now.
It just doesn't work that way. The good teams draft QB's and then GROOM them in their systems. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, Brees didn't play well at first that's why they drafted Rivers, Rodgers sat behind Farve for years.
You don't make a team better by signing expensive veterens. Just ask the owner of the redskins or jerry Jones how that works out. It takes planning and patience and an owner that doesn't meddle to build a good team. Look at the good teams that are out there now.
He's already ours. All we have to do is recognize what we have.
This is NOT to say that MIAMI shouldn't pursue FLYNN or a healthy P MANNING. Especially since they will most likely be F/As. But as to P MANNING, he MUST conclusively be pronounced fully healthy. And as to FLYNN, w/a mere 2 game resumee, I'd make it clear that he's NOT a "lock" to be the starting QB.
As to mortgaging the farm for a Rookie, FORGET ABOUT IT. The only "trading up" that MIAMI should do, if any, i/m/o, is to the #4 Pick, for BLACKMON.
And as to paying a fortune for FLYNN, forget THAT, too.
Dude...chill. We understand your passion..but you don't have to YELL.
Moore has done a great job under the circumstances in 2011, and I am in his corner. He has earned the starting job to begin trailing camp. It is my hope that Flynn will be signed and he will compete with Moore for the starting job to begin the season. Right now, everyone has a blank slate. We have a new coaching staff.
Moore has the advantage in experience and familiarity with the team, Flynn has worked with Philbin for years and already has the offensive terminology down. It will be decided in training camp.
If you ask me, neither of these guys are a sure fire franchise QB, but both of them are very good.
Moore has done a great job under the circumstances in 2011, and I am in his corner. He has earned the starting job to begin trailing camp. It is my hope that Flynn will be signed and he will compete with Moore for the starting job to begin the season. Right now, everyone has a blank slate. We have a new coaching staff.
Moore has the advantage in experience and familiarity with the team, Flynn has worked with Philbin for years and already has the offensive terminology down. It will be decided in training camp.
If you ask me, neither of these guys are a sure fire franchise QB, but both of them are very good.
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If we sign Flynn he won't be competing with anyone. He's the starter.
Assuming he gets big dollars, which I think he will, you are 100% right.
I don't think he stays the starter if he tanks the first 4-5 games, but if he gets significant money he's our starter walking in the door.
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sorry, Dan. Your absolutely wrong. the Colts are giving him the shaft
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He should feel very happy that he is one of about 30+ guys who was the starting QB for an NFL team this past year.....but nobody has anointed him Dan Marino's heir apparent or franchise QB for the Dolphins.
none of this means that philbin and ross think the same.
just because a few misguided fans and oportunistic "journalists" say moore isnt the answer and we are going after [place big name/hot backup qb here] doesnt mean its whats happening.
IRELAND is the one who originaly signed matt to the cowboys. it was a numbers game and moore didnt have the oportunity to get on the field much. but, as ireland said, they new what he was and that is why when he became available to miami, they grabbed him up. their not getting rid of matt moore. not after what he did for us this year.
the anouncers, his team mates, and those of us who know the workings of nfl football know what we have in matt moore and the fantastic job he did under such rediculous circumstances. his team mates raved about him, expecially brandon. the luck suckers were all big time sour over not getting him and the poison spilled on to the net. still is. but it means NOTHING!!
i wonder what all these moore is gone for sure types are going to do when we get the missing pieces on the o-line and moore has a full camp and he is standing over center on opening day?
matt moore IS a probowl qb. he has been the victim of being on the wrong teams at the wrong time, up untill now. but he sure had the worst situation to deal with here. no qb could have done more. some less.
like i said, those who know whats wrong on the team in the dolphins offices are not the ones feeding out this moore must go garbage.
just because a few misguided fans and oportunistic "journalists" say moore isnt the answer and we are going after [place big name/hot backup qb here] doesnt mean its whats happening.
IRELAND is the one who originaly signed matt to the cowboys. it was a numbers game and moore didnt have the oportunity to get on the field much. but, as ireland said, they new what he was and that is why when he became available to miami, they grabbed him up. their not getting rid of matt moore. not after what he did for us this year.
the anouncers, his team mates, and those of us who know the workings of nfl football know what we have in matt moore and the fantastic job he did under such rediculous circumstances. his team mates raved about him, expecially brandon. the luck suckers were all big time sour over not getting him and the poison spilled on to the net. still is. but it means NOTHING!!
i wonder what all these moore is gone for sure types are going to do when we get the missing pieces on the o-line and moore has a full camp and he is standing over center on opening day?
matt moore IS a probowl qb. he has been the victim of being on the wrong teams at the wrong time, up untill now. but he sure had the worst situation to deal with here. no qb could have done more. some less.
like i said, those who know whats wrong on the team in the dolphins offices are not the ones feeding out this moore must go garbage.
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Moore is slightly below average. He's a journeyman or backup qb. Not a long term starter. He had 14 fumbles this year. He didn't even play in 14 games. Who cares how he feels? He's still getting paid, and can go compete elsewhere next year.
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
the guy is a glorified rookie, he hasnt even played 2 full seasons worth of games, and most of those were off the bench and or under adverse circumstances. so how do you condemn him to that?
is that what your going to say about RGlll with 20 games under his belt? or, like we have now, will he be the victim of a bad o-line, etc... and he needs the pieces to show he is a franchise qb? or is it a few games and out, who cares about the o-line,camp, surrounding cast..... ?
we have an AWFUL o-line. folks squaked for years about o-line when it was the skill positions that were bad [fiedler]. now, we actually have a crap o-line and everyone thinks that makes no difference, matt should have thrown 50 td's like the other franchise guys.
if you really had looked over his career, saw what happened on the teams he was on, how he came in here with a doomed coach and staff, 0-7 team, maybe the WORST o-line the nfl and NO TIME WITH THE STARTERS in a LIMITED camp you wouldnt be saying he is a journeyman, sub bar qb. not at all. you couldnt! there hasnt been enough games for him to play in and full camps!!
your kind of exposed here bud.
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the only qb we can sign that 100 percent deserves to be named starter no matter what he does in training camp is peyton manning. anyone else, including moore, a 1st round pick, or even flynn should have to earn the job in camp if they want it, and they should be told so before signing here( this is for flynn because a rookie qb drafted wont really have that choice, and even if they did holdout, it wouldnt help them, and plus being a rookie, theyd understand).Tunaphish429;1064191896[B said:
matt flynn as a packer has basically played in 3 games, starting 2. in 2010, he came in the 2nd qtr when rodgers suffered a concussion vs the lions and he stunk it up badly. the following week his stats looked good, and he played a solid game, but they lost, and the most recent 1 vs detroit he played a career game and won. so in 3 total games, hes 1-2, but in 2 starts he is 1-1.
now if everyone on here is only concerned about wins and losses, which is obviously the main thing, then he is a 500 career starter with a little sample size.
maybe he does have potential, maybe he does not, who knows. what i do know is, that someone with his resume who has started a total of 2 games in his nfl career, played in 3 for the majority, he should not just be handed the keys to the starting job with no compeitition just because of one great game.
if he is willing to come in here and compete with moore, who after last year at least earned the right to compete for the starting job( unless we get manning of course) then bring him in. However, since all the media outlets and fans are talking about him like he is the greatest free agent, a top flight proven qb in the nfl despite 2 and a half games played, then he will want guranteed money, prob 30 in guranteed, plus a 5 year 60-65 million dollar deal, which in that case he is the starter regardless of his performance in camp, then i dont think its smart.
i would assume anyone reading this, regardless of if they like flynn or not, or hate moore or not, would have to agree that is only fair way to do things, because i dont see how anyone can justify handing the keys over as starting franchise qb to someone who has played in a grand total of 2 and a half games in his nfl career in majority starter minutes, going 1-2, and tell me that he should not have to compete with anyone, just be given the keys as starter like proven qbs in the nfl are such as brady, brees, big ben, rodgers, etc.
How can he be considered slightly below average when he finished the season with the 12 the qbr ahead of the likes like Cutler, Cam Newton, and Flacco who was one missed fg away from leading his team to the superbowl. 16th in completion percentage and average yards per completion which is smack dab in the middle. Not saying he is a great quarterback, but at the very least he was average, if not slightly above average since his stats are exactly middle of the pack and quarterback rating which is slightly above the middle of the pack. And he did this behind an offensive line especially at RT that struggled to say the least to protect the quarterback, and with a reciever who had numerous dropped touchdown passes that would have elevated that rating even more.