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front office failure squarely on parcells not ireland

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i am by no means advocating ireland as the best GM in the NFL, Ive been critical of him in fact, but its kinda gotten ridiculous here at finheaven with the piling on of ireland. its clear at this point that sparano is not a good coach. it was clear by the second half of last season, and the warning signs were even evident in his first year looking back.

Ireland is a different story entirely, and u see ignorant articles like this popping up around the internet:

http://finnation.com/?p=4332&utm_so...ee-agency-mistakes-of-the-irelandparcells-era

EVERY SINGLE item listed took place while parcells was CALLING THE SHOTS in miami and assigns the blame to ireland. pat white?? are u kidding me? its come out since that draft that pat white falls squarely on parcells shoulders. why are we still assigning the blame here to ireland?

its pretty clear at this point that Ross had a mandate to limit spending in the offseason, and the only thing we can fairly judge ireland by at this point is this years draft. the early returns certainly indicate we had at the very least a good draft.

if you want to be critical of ireland thats fine, but if your going to be critical of him - at least be ACCURATE in your criticism. and keep in mind that you dont TRULY KNOW what he was responsible for when Parcells was here. for example, while in dallas, parcells didnt want demarcus ware he wanted DL marcus spears. the cowboys took ware and spears was still there at 20. the cowboys ended up with the best pass rusher in the NFL because of ireland.

Phillip Merling was essentially a FIRST ROUND PICK. new england vacated their 32nd pick (in the first round) miami chose merling in that spot. this was a parcells pick. and merling is a first round bust. jake long was a parcells pick (perhaps ireland would have opted for Ryan - we simply dont know). pat white was a parcells pick. trading ginn, trading satele for nothing and signing grove to a huge contract - all parcells moves seemingly.

pile on ireland if you want, but the book hasnt been written on the guy yet like it has with sparano, there are simply too many things the public doesnt have information about that goes on behind closed doors. if ireland was in charge for the past 4 years, clearly the blame would fall squarely on him. the FACT IS HE WASNT - PARCELLS WAS. and we dont know how ireland has graded players. all we have to go on is this years draft. i say only the draft because its becoming pretty clear the plan was to limit contracts for veteran player acquisition, perhaps in an attempt to clear the books for a potential new coach next year. if this is the case, we cant really blame ireland for not bringing in guys as band aids to plug the holes that clearly exist. even a guy like columbo - how do we know sparano didnt push for him??

im not defending the guy, im simply saying 80% of the criticism thats heaped on the man simply isnt accurate, or deserved. the vast majority of it should fall on parcells plain and simple, and the only thing we can ACCURATELY judge ireland on at this point is this years draft.
 
We will never how much impact Ireland had on these drafts. To totally blame him is as foolish as totally absolving him. He is the Gm and has been so there is definately blame and or praise to go his way. Parcells has taken the blame for White but none of us know If Ireland wanted him or not so like I said we will never know.
 
Parcells is a fraud,but Columbo and every other x-cowboy that came in this year is enough to indite Ireland.
 
We will never how much impact Ireland had on these drafts. To totally blame him is as foolish as totally absolving him. He is the Gm and has been so there is definately blame and or praise to go his way. Parcells has taken the blame for White but none of us know If Ireland wanted him or not so like I said we will never know.

i agree. but there has been an abundance of information that came out after that pat white draft, that exposed pat white as bill parcell's pick. im not absolving ireland by any means. like i said ive been cricital of the guy, but mostly for things like not addressing the nickel back position, not resigning soliai, bringing in columbo. etc. it seems now that perhaps there was a forward looking plan set forth by ownership and the front office that restrcited ireland in these departments, and i cant say that it was a poor decision either. clearly ross isnt sold on sparano as his coach (with good reason) what if the next guy runs a 4-3? to you want to limit yourself and commit huge contracts to a guy that might not fit in future plans? in addition we had several holes including a seam threat at te, but all of them couldnt be addressed with simply the draft, and did we want to give up both a 3rd rounder and money for a guy like greg olson? probably not. IMO, with the information thats come forth about this season, it seems ireland did a pretty good job with the hand he was dealt, and the blame for past seasons cant reasonably be put on his shoulders since he wasnt calling the shots. one or two draft picks here or there might have changed everything. hypothetically, WHAT IF ireland privately wanted a QB? what if he thought matt ryan made more sense at number 1? we dont know. we do know that parcells loved henne.

not giving ireland a free pass, just saying MOST of what the guy is criticized for, is just fans spouting off about things that arent even intelligently, or logically thought out, and based on poor, and often irrelevant information.

criticize the guy if u want, but at least if you are, make a logical case. let me be clear - jeff ireland is not the guy to blame for 4 years of front office failures. bill parcells is.
 
irelands rookies look like they may pan out so far so good, but he missed the ball on free agents or trading for players, lee evans, greg olsen, bryant mckinnie, garode, and who knows who else. he is not good at getting free agents. dansby and marshall looks more like bp did those, pretty sure bp would have given up draft picks for olsen, and evans. there is no doubt ireland can scout. but there is one thing that still bothers me with bp, how are you going to recommend rex ryan and not hire him yourself
 
i agree. but there has been an abundance of information that came out after that pat white draft, that exposed pat white as bill parcell's pick. im not absolving ireland by any means. like i said ive been cricital of the guy, but mostly for things like not addressing the nickel back position, not resigning soliai, bringing in columbo. etc. it seems now that perhaps there was a forward looking plan set forth by ownership and the front office that restrcited ireland in these departments, and i cant say that it was a poor decision either. clearly ross isnt sold on sparano as his coach (with good reason) what if the next guy runs a 4-3? to you want to limit yourself and commit huge contracts to a guy that might not fit in future plans? in addition we had several holes including a seam threat at te, but all of them couldnt be addressed with simply the draft, and did we want to give up both a 3rd rounder and money for a guy like greg olson? probably not. IMO, with the information thats come forth about this season, it seems ireland did a pretty good job with the hand he was dealt, and the blame for past seasons cant reasonably be put on his shoulders since he wasnt calling the shots. one or two draft picks here or there might have changed everything. hypothetically, WHAT IF ireland privately wanted a QB? what if he thought matt ryan made more sense at number 1? we dont know. we do know that parcells loved henne.

not giving ireland a free pass, just saying MOST of what the guy is criticized for, is just fans spouting off about things that arent even intelligently, or logically thought out, and based on poor, and often irrelevant information.

criticize the guy if u want, but at least if you are, make a logical case. let me be clear - jeff ireland is not the guy to blame for 4 years of front office failures. bill parcells is.
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I personally think they share blame. He as the gm has been a big part of these decisions . he has never came out and said he was not in favor of white or any other decision so who knows
 
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I personally think they share blame. He as the gm has been a big part of these decisions . he has never came out and said he was not in favor of white or any other decision so who knows

NO no you're wrong, Parcells made the wrong picks, Ireland made the right ones, don't you get it :lol:
 
NO no you're wrong, Parcells made the wrong picks, Ireland made the right ones, don't you get it :lol:

Truthfully if Ireland has had no say for three years he should be fired anyway for being such a wussy
 
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I personally think they share blame. He as the gm has been a big part of these decisions . he has never came out and said he was not in favor of white or any other decision so who knows

well he cant publicly come out and say those things. BUT he most certainly can share the scouting information he had on players with ross. dont u think there is a reason WHY ross thinks so highly of ireland? there has got to be something there, and think about it. as an owner, with SO MUCH riding on it - dont u THINK that ross has asked for this information from ireland? why WOULDNT HE??? he would have to be dumb not to. of course he has, and with that in mind, there MUST be SOMETHING there.

ireland does share some of the blame - sure. but when an entire regimes success could depend on one pick (which sometimes it can) - if ireland int calling the shots, he simply cant shoulder the blame. like i said - what IF ireland wanted ryan? what if without parcells - ireland takes ryan? and makes a different pick at 32 instead of merling? and doesnt waste a pick on henne and pat white (which wouldnt have happened). things might have turned out MUCH differently.

me personally? im happy it went the way it did. BECAUSE sparano is an awful, awful coach. this team was never going to win a championship with him leading the team. so the sooner hes out the better. if we had matt ryan - we might be stuck with sparano a couple more years with nothing to show for it.
 
So....did Ireland not sign all the Cowboys rejects? HMMMM????
 
Easy way to eliminate the confusion to whose fault it is? FIRE THEM ALL
 
irelands rookies look like they may pan out so far so good, but he missed the ball on free agents or trading for players, lee evans, greg olsen, bryant mckinnie, garode, and who knows who else. he is not good at getting free agents. dansby and marshall looks more like bp did those, pretty sure bp would have given up draft picks for olsen, and evans. there is no doubt ireland can scout. but there is one thing that still bothers me with bp, how are you going to recommend rex ryan and not hire him yourself

What your not understanding is that this man Parcells is a New Yorker through and through. He ****s on everyone for his loyalty to NY. It dosen't surprise me one bit that it's turned out this way. He's loyal to one person which is himself, you think he wanted any of this work without him being here? His ego is wayyyy to big for that. It wouldn't surprise me if he had Henning intentionally screw our offense last year because Sparano and Ireland were trying to get out his shadow. It always has and always will be about him and "code". Grimey dude for real.
 
I have no interest in defending Jeff Ireland but Bill Parcells really is the guy responsible for this mess. He came here to run his stupid Wildcat experiment and when Pat White failed miserably he tucked his tail between his legs and ran back to ESPN. **** the Tuna.
 
I have no interest in defending Jeff Ireland but Bill Parcells really is the guy responsible for this mess. He came here to run his stupid Wildcat experiment and when Pat White failed miserably he tucked his tail between his legs and ran back to ESPN. **** the Tuna.

agreed. just saying if we are going to assign blame lets at least assign blame where it is due. parcells was given the job in order to correct the infrastructure of the organization. period. plain and simple. and he failed miserably! and left the franchise high and dry while running his mouth, and trying to take credit for something as ridiculous as the ny jets coaching situation. bill if you are so ****ing great why cant u identify a great coach for the TEAM THAT PAYS YOUR BILLS *****??? sparanos ceiling as a head coach was never going to be better than average. and he simply isnt even that. average isnt good enough. bill parcells is a complete failure, and he tries to take credit for things he doesnt deserve ANY credit for, while assigning blame for his errors to those who the blame doesnt belong.

just saying lets direct the failures of this franchise where they clearly belong please -BILL PARCELLS. i cant stand sparano ok? and im not here to defend ireland. but parcells doesnt deserve to escape the negative press these two guys receive. in fact, he deserves ALL of it.

the failures of the dolphins franchise the past 4 years are bill parcell's failures.
 
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