TKAllDay
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GAMEWEEK thread! Pats vs. Dolphins
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This is going to be a tough game for both teams.
Pats Offense against Miami's Defense.
The Dolphins Front 7 is pretty damn good. With Soliai in the middle flanked by Merling, Starks, Odrick. For the LBers, they've got Dansby, Misi, Taylor, and Wake. Burnett may or may not be good in that system, only time will tell. On the Corners, the Phins have two of the younger and better ones in the league in Vontae Davis and Sean Smith. Smith is someone I had actually wanted the Pats to draft, but they went in another direction.
The question becomes the safeties and the 3rd CB for the Phins. Can those three cover guys like Hernandez, Gronkowski and OchoCinco.
Last year, the Pats held Wake to 2 sacks and 5 hurries in 2 games. To me, that is a success.
What the Phins will face is a 100% healthy Brady with a fantastic array of weapons. The Pats O-Line looks to be improved with Waters taking over at RG for Connolly and Mankins being on the field (unlike the 1st game against Miami last year). The weapons include Welker, Branch, OchoCinco, Price, Edelman, Slater, Hernandez and Gronkowski. Not to mention the running attack of Green-Ellis and Woodhead, supported by Ridley and Vereen.
People talk about Welker being the person to stop, but Brady has no issues with going to his TEs. Both Hernandez and Gronkowski have proven to be very good, but not yet ELITE, TEs.
The Pats will not be able to stop Cameron Wake. But they don't have to. They just need to contain him on 95% of the plays. If they do that, then Brady and the others should be able to be efficient and put points on the board.
Miami Offense vs. Pats Defense
Miami has revamped their O-line. They've added Marc Columbo, formerly of Cowboys, to be their starting RT, shifting Vernon Carey inside to RG and Richie Incognito from RG to LG. They've also added Mike Pouncey at center. Pouncey is definitely going to get a lot of learning on how to deal with Wilfok and the other dominant NTs in the league. On top of that Jake Long and Carey are both returning from injuries from last year.
The RB corps for the Phins has been re-vamped. Gone are long time Phins Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams. Also gone is Patrick Cobbs who played decently in a back-up/STs role for the Phins. In is Reggie Bush, Daniel Thomas and Larry Johnson. Bush has been injury prone in his career, having only one FULL season, his rookie season. Daniel Thomas is a rookie and was banged up very recently to the point that Miami felt the need to re-sign Larry Johnson, whom they had just cut recently. The other issue is that Miami no longer has battering ram and short yardage specialist Lousaka Polite. It remains to be seen if Clay can handle the lead blocking for the Phins.
The TE position is also one in flux for the Phins. The Phins are returning Anthony Fasano and Jeron Mastrud. However, the Phins were not happy with the others they had signed in the off-season. Since the 53 man cut-downs, the Phins have plucked and pilfered the waiver wire and street cuts to add Donte Rosario (cut from the Broncos), Will Yeatman (a lacrosse player turned TE whom is extremely raw)
The Pats defense has been over-hauled again. Gone are Tully Banta-Cain, Eric Moore, James Sanders, Brandon Meriweather, and Darius Butler. In are Mark Anderson, Sean Ellis, Albert Haynesworth, and Andre Carter. The Pats are also returning starting CB Leigh Bodden. DT/DE Mike Wright and Myron Pryor are also healthy for the Pats. At linebacker, the Pats are returning Standout Jerod Mayo, youngsters Brandon Spikes, Dane Fletcher, and Jermaine Cunningham.
At corner, the Pats have an outstanding youngster in Devin McCourty who will start opposite Leigh Bodden. Kyle Arrington figures to go outside during nickle situations with Bodden moving into the slot. Rookie Ras-I Dowling will probably see time as the 4th corner in Dime situations.
The Pats made their moves with the intentions of fixing their D-line so they could bring more pressure on QBs by the Front 7. If they can do that, then Henne will have issues and the Pats should capitalize. However, if the Phins re-vamped O-line can keep Henne upright, then the Phins have a good chance of winning this.
I honestly believe it's too close to call, but I would point the money on the points..
Pats Offense against Miami's Defense.
The Dolphins Front 7 is pretty damn good. With Soliai in the middle flanked by Merling, Starks, Odrick. For the LBers, they've got Dansby, Misi, Taylor, and Wake. Burnett may or may not be good in that system, only time will tell. On the Corners, the Phins have two of the younger and better ones in the league in Vontae Davis and Sean Smith. Smith is someone I had actually wanted the Pats to draft, but they went in another direction.
The question becomes the safeties and the 3rd CB for the Phins. Can those three cover guys like Hernandez, Gronkowski and OchoCinco.
Last year, the Pats held Wake to 2 sacks and 5 hurries in 2 games. To me, that is a success.
What the Phins will face is a 100% healthy Brady with a fantastic array of weapons. The Pats O-Line looks to be improved with Waters taking over at RG for Connolly and Mankins being on the field (unlike the 1st game against Miami last year). The weapons include Welker, Branch, OchoCinco, Price, Edelman, Slater, Hernandez and Gronkowski. Not to mention the running attack of Green-Ellis and Woodhead, supported by Ridley and Vereen.
People talk about Welker being the person to stop, but Brady has no issues with going to his TEs. Both Hernandez and Gronkowski have proven to be very good, but not yet ELITE, TEs.
The Pats will not be able to stop Cameron Wake. But they don't have to. They just need to contain him on 95% of the plays. If they do that, then Brady and the others should be able to be efficient and put points on the board.
Miami Offense vs. Pats Defense
Miami has revamped their O-line. They've added Marc Columbo, formerly of Cowboys, to be their starting RT, shifting Vernon Carey inside to RG and Richie Incognito from RG to LG. They've also added Mike Pouncey at center. Pouncey is definitely going to get a lot of learning on how to deal with Wilfok and the other dominant NTs in the league. On top of that Jake Long and Carey are both returning from injuries from last year.
The RB corps for the Phins has been re-vamped. Gone are long time Phins Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams. Also gone is Patrick Cobbs who played decently in a back-up/STs role for the Phins. In is Reggie Bush, Daniel Thomas and Larry Johnson. Bush has been injury prone in his career, having only one FULL season, his rookie season. Daniel Thomas is a rookie and was banged up very recently to the point that Miami felt the need to re-sign Larry Johnson, whom they had just cut recently. The other issue is that Miami no longer has battering ram and short yardage specialist Lousaka Polite. It remains to be seen if Clay can handle the lead blocking for the Phins.
The TE position is also one in flux for the Phins. The Phins are returning Anthony Fasano and Jeron Mastrud. However, the Phins were not happy with the others they had signed in the off-season. Since the 53 man cut-downs, the Phins have plucked and pilfered the waiver wire and street cuts to add Donte Rosario (cut from the Broncos), Will Yeatman (a lacrosse player turned TE whom is extremely raw)
The Pats defense has been over-hauled again. Gone are Tully Banta-Cain, Eric Moore, James Sanders, Brandon Meriweather, and Darius Butler. In are Mark Anderson, Sean Ellis, Albert Haynesworth, and Andre Carter. The Pats are also returning starting CB Leigh Bodden. DT/DE Mike Wright and Myron Pryor are also healthy for the Pats. At linebacker, the Pats are returning Standout Jerod Mayo, youngsters Brandon Spikes, Dane Fletcher, and Jermaine Cunningham.
At corner, the Pats have an outstanding youngster in Devin McCourty who will start opposite Leigh Bodden. Kyle Arrington figures to go outside during nickle situations with Bodden moving into the slot. Rookie Ras-I Dowling will probably see time as the 4th corner in Dime situations.
The Pats made their moves with the intentions of fixing their D-line so they could bring more pressure on QBs by the Front 7. If they can do that, then Henne will have issues and the Pats should capitalize. However, if the Phins re-vamped O-line can keep Henne upright, then the Phins have a good chance of winning this.
I honestly believe it's too close to call, but I would point the money on the points..
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Ok I won't even argue the point, I'll go by your line of reasoning and say this, the Phins are the afterthought now and have been since Marino retired. End of story. :up:[/QUOTE]
I'm not gonna argue this point either haha. **** hasn't been good for the Dolphins for quite some time. It blows, but our hatred for the other AFC East teams remains in good standing!
Ok I won't even argue the point, I'll go by your line of reasoning and say this, the Phins are the afterthought now and have been since Marino retired. End of story. :up:[/QUOTE]
I'm not gonna argue this point either haha. **** hasn't been good for the Dolphins for quite some time. It blows, but our hatred for the other AFC East teams remains in good standing!
You really need to do a better job checking your facts:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/
Umm.. To say that the Pats were an afterthought from 1960 - 1977 tells me you don't know squat about that time frame. From 1961-1966 (with the exception of 1965) the Pats were one of the top teams in the AFL, including going to the AFL Championship game during the 1963 AFL Season. Then, yes, they were bad until 1976. But from 1976 though 1986, the Pats had several good seasons. In fact, from 1974 through 1986, 9 of those 13 seasons the Pats had a top 10 offense. And 6 of those seasons, that offense was a Top 5 offense. Hardly an afterthought.
For you to call 1996 an anomaly is laughable because, in 1994, the Pats won the division. Not only that. The Pats won the division in 1996 through 1998. That defeats the idea that it was an anomaly.
Yes, the Dolphins had a great run with Marino and Shula. No one is ever going to take that away from them. But, for you to harp on it and ignore what the Pats have done since 1994 is a joke.
Since 1994, the Pats have won 10 Division Championships, Won 3 SuperBowls, been there 5 times. And lets not forget that it was during the Free Agency era. Something that the Dolphins of the 70's and 80's didn't have to deal with. That's a 17 year period. Compared to the 34 year period you decided to focus on for the Dolphins.. Which do you honestly think is more impressive?
Oh, something else to ponder. During the Dolphins best 10 year period (1970 - 1979) they had a record of 104-39-1. 72.2 win %. From 2001-2010, the Pats hqad a record of 121-39. A win% of 75.625.
You don't have to like the Patriots, but at least give them the credit they are due..
So much for intelligent football conversation.I'm sure Brady is just shaking in his boots.:up:
Well, I don't know if you heard, but when you knock Brady on his rare, he looks.....UNBrady like, and Wake Right now is one of the best pass-rushers playing....oh and in case you also forgot, no single defensive player has been a bigger thorn in Brady's behind, then Jason Taylor, so let the fun begin. :up:
His name is Grogan12 (from Steve Grogan, a very overrated Pats QB from the 80s), so he is a Pats fan, here to act like anyone thinking the Dolphins have a chance, is just plain insane.
TKAllDay
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I figured as much, I was just giving him a hard time. GO FINS
DeathStar
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As usual we were going to get nothing from our return game...
Brady struggles against miami history shows this, our defense is designed to get after the QB and shade vontae davis onto the opposing teams best player. Davis will pick brady off like he has before and wwake and jt will plant brady on the grass all game long. Meanwhile brandon marshall is gonna go nuts. Miami wins convincingly and becomes a factor for the playoffs
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did you sign randy moss for 5 mil yet?
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So much for intelligent football conversation.
no but he will be pissed when ochostinko runs the wrong route and gets picked.