Good players - bad coaching

[JoeRobStad4ever]

dude, who was that coach for Detroit when Detroit had Barry Sanders? Ray something i think. He stunk. And they had some good guys on D and a pro bowl wideout in Herman Moore. But he couldn't do crap and wasted the career of the most explosive RB in NFL history.

Ok, checked out their 1994 roster.

Wayne Fontes (I was way off!) was their coach, I think he did a bad job, maybe not the worst, but by god, he probably played into part of why Barry retired...

Look who they had:
RB Barry Sanders (Hall of Famer)
WR Hrman Moore (Pro Bowler)
WR Johnnie Morton (young but good)
WR/KR/PR Mel Gray (Pro Bowler)
QB Dave Krieg (was not a bad QB, he did well for us and was old by then)
QB Scott Mitchell (ok, he wasn't that good)
T Lomas Brown (Pro Bowler at some point in his career?)
K Jason Hanson
DE Robert Porcher (future? Pro Bowler)
LB Pat Swilling (was good)
LB Chris Spielman (was good as well)
CB Ryan McNeil

 

[raving]

any teams coached by Dan reeves or Marty Shottenheimer come to mind. they always seemed to have very talented teams that would dominate until the first or second round of the playoffs. having been in chiefs country for 13 years, i know first hand about Marty ball from all my frustrated chiefs fan friends. i mean 13-3 in the regular season and a first round dive....

Good call on both those LOSER coaches. Shula got several playoff victories against Schottenheimer teams and any time we would play them I would consider that the Dolphins had a bye that week - or a free win.

 

[DBoston80]

This is another one of the arguments that makes me laugh. Who exactly coached the team to produce the leading rusher, leading sack man, and top 5 defense anyway?


..Yeah right, If it not for Wanny's brilliant coaching philosophy JT or Ricky woulda just tanked!

 

[yankeehillbilly]

do you think it is coaching ? or bad talent level in the D

I dunno.....Ive always liked Dungy, but he couldnt get over the top in Tampa and Gruden came in with pretty much Dungy's guys and won the SB. Now it seems that history is repeating itself in Indy....very good team, can beat anyone on any given Sunday, but falls apart in the playoffs. He's a great defensive coordinator, but its looking more and more like he just isnt a great head coach. At least thats my opinion anyway.

 

[nyjunc]

...If you watched the game you would know!! They had like 40 total yards at halftime...Thats domination if you ask me..the defense was very impressive..shut down that "great" passing game...The score doesnt always tell the tale.

I don't care about the yards, the score was 20-17 early in the 4th qtr and Miami won 23-16. Anyway you slice it that's not a humiliation.

 

[XxFiN FaNxX]

lets see what nick dose then we can add him to the list

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Yeah right, If it not for Wanny's brilliant coaching philosophy JT or Ricky woulda just tanked!

Stressing defense and a strong running game had no impact on the performance of a DE and RB......sure......

It is ridiculous to claim Wanny is responsible for all of the bad but none of the good.

 

[LarryFinFan]

We all lived through the Wanny era. Take a team with good to very good talent, then have them lose because of bad coaching. What I would like to know is: What other teams have gone through this? I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Some of the older(and wiser) fans may remember teams and coaches that were around before i was introduced to football.


I appologize before hand for spelling and making a potentialy stupid post.

There is more to it than bad coaching...Wanny was not a bad coach, he was a bad personnel and business guy...he made decisions off the field that screwed this team then and now (picking poor assistant coaches, letting go of good ones, bad player picks in FA and draft, salary cap management, power struggle with the FO, last year at least, etc)....Those are the things he did poorly...the fact that until last year, he was one of the winningest coaches during his tenure here shows that he can coach...but the sad fact that the team has been run into the ground with lack of talent and salary cap issues proves his unworthiness of any gratitude from anyone in Miami....(and to top it all off, he did the same thing to ChiTown as well)...

 

[LarryFinFan]

Sorry, never answered the question....

How about the Rams for years until Vermiel came along...Buffalo prior to Marv Levy (remember we beat the Buffs some 17 times in a row), how about the NY Jests...under every coach until Parcels two weeks there...How about the Falcons...the Browns....Cleveland...San Diego....Bears...all these teams had strings of poor coaching, but also they had poor FO dealings as well that led to or kept them in decline over the years...the main thing is that you need that balance of a strong FO and coaching to succeed...of course, FA has changed the ability of teams to rebound quicker than in the past. When Lou Saban ran the Bills, his decisions not only cost them for the couple of years he was there, but also for several years after that (when your team was ONLY built on the strength of your draft)...

 

[SackArtist]

Any Coach who has the NFL's leading rusher..leading sack man..a top 5 defense and loses the last 2 games of the year to miss the playoffs is a suck-azz coach!

...Now alot of this blame can go to Ray Lucas (IMO the worst fin EVER!!) but he had some real talented teams and that 2002 team that humiliated the AFC champion Raiders was the best Dolphin team in a very long time.....and they misseed the playoffs!!!!!!!!:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

I agree, we should've made the SB that year. Instead we missed the playoffs. Leading Rusher, Leading Sacker, Top 5 Defense. We went from #1 in the AFC, to missing the playoffs in 2 games (against below average and mediocre teams) . :nono:
Atleast we probably weren't going to win the SB anyways against the Bucs that year? :cry:

 

[DOLPHAN1]

I believe marty is the winningest active coach in the NFL right now... and his Chargers are looking pretty good Id say.

Even good coaches can have bad luck.. (I predict Dallas will bomb!)

How about jim Mora.. man was he disappointing in Indy!

Shottenheimer may, at present, be the winning-est coach, but he has consistently had talented teams and do well in the regular season and absolutely tank post-season. if you read the question, it doesn't ask for good teams with bad records. it asks about talented teams that lose because of coaching. in my opinion( as well as many, many others here in KC ) Marty's coaching was questionable because of his post-season failures. that seams to be a trend that follows him from team to team. maybe he can break that trend in SD soon. that IS a talented team.