Grading & Rating Tannehill Game by Game

[hoops]

Does the QB also get credit for RAC when he throws a poor pass to the wrong receiver, who just happens to break a few tackles?

A bubble screen taken 40 yards for a TD is not the same thing as a pass that travels 40 yards in the air. I'm pretty sure that it would be difficult to get a rating other than average for completing a bubble screen whereas a 40 strike into the end zone would likely rate pretty positive.

IMO, both ways of looking at the plays have validity.

How do you think nick foles rating is so high? That very thing in a lot of ways...

Not really sure about this throws the ball to the wrong guy thing...I see qbs throw the ball into coverage or read coverage wrong all the time and get away with it...pretty sure it doesn't effect their ratings negatively...

Those ratings don't take a lot into account IMO...spread vs read option and pistol vs play action passing game etc and each one requires a qb to do many different things for them to be successful...many qbs can't play in anything other than a heavy run based offense or read option pistol one cause they flat can't read the field and don't work thru progressions etc...most of them are one read and check it down or take off qbs...many aren't trusted with the play book and to check out of plays at the Los...

Many qbs can't set up the protections can't recognize clean blitz pressure personnel and account for it can't be trusted to read leverage and coverage and throw away from it etc...

These kind of things separate the flash in the pans and bust from the true legit long term difference makers...

 

[nyjunc]

What world do people live in where you'd take away rac yardage when rating a qbs play...does the qb not get credit for making the proper read and placing the ball timely and in a position where the pass catcher could create rac yardage?

Rac especially for a team that lacks tackle breakers an open field make you miss like Miami does is highly about placement of the ball and timing...

are you assuming all yds after the catch are from good reads and well placed passes? I can think of 3 big TDs where they weren't great throws and the receivers made incredible efforts to shake free and score yet some folks acted like Ryan did a tremendous job. I am sure there are others where he did place the ball perfectly giving his receivers a chance but like anything else each situation should be judged individually.

 

[finfanaz]

Can always expect the biggest troll on this site to show up when its a thread about Tanne. It's become rather dull...

 

[hoops]

I rarely saw a completed pass by tannehill where the coverage read wasn't correct...i'm aware of a couple individual performances after the catch that lead to scores...clay being the guy but the proper read and decision has to be made and executed and the ball timely etc ie back foot hits ball out etc and the qb in our offense at least the last 2 years had a rediculously amount of responsibility...much more than many other offenses ask of the qb...

 

[So Be]

What world do people live in where you'd take away rac yardage when rating a qbs play...does the qb not get credit for making the proper read and placing the ball timely and in a position where the pass catcher could create rac yardage?

Rac especially for a team that lacks tackle breakers an open field make you miss like Miami does is highly about placement of the ball and timing...

It is debatable depending on the play. Who should be given the credit? Is it the receiver who caused a missed tackle or, the QB for putting the ball where he was supposed to? IMO, I would give it to the receiver causing a missed tackle as it is after contact but, do understand your point of view.

 

[hoops]

It is debatable depending on the play. Who should be given the credit? Is it the receiver who caused a missed tackle or, the QB for putting the ball where he was supposed to? IMO, I would give it to the receiver causing a missed tackle as it is after contact but, do understand your point of view.

Ok well it's not debate able that it was snowing its ass off the first half vs Pitt and that may have effected not only timing and execution in the passing game but play calling as well

After all roethlisberger was having problems with it...

 

[So Be]

Ok well it's not debate able that it was snowing its ass off the first half vs Pitt and that may have effected not only timing and execution in the passing game but play calling as well

After all roethlisberger was having problems with it...

Agree, and the YAC's were easier than normal.

 

[nyjunc]

did the snow make him make that horrid decision to throw the pick 6?

 

[slk018]

Pff probably knows the qb was not the issue in the buffalo game

Qb has never ever been the issue in your mind...

 

[Fins1971]

Qb has never ever been the issue in your mind...

Yeah, shutout on offense 2 years in a row to division rivals at the end of the season. Not a good sign. Line or no Line you have to find some way to avoid the shutout.
Those 2 games were just pitiful and RT17 was a large part of it.

 

[Vaark]

did the snow make him make that horrid decision to throw the pick 6?

horrid decisions you say? How about 69 of em? Guess $hit happens (for some very often as a matter of fact) :idk:

[video=youtube;V4khQuNdoRs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4khQuNdoRs[/video]

 

[nyjunc]

horrid decisions you say? How about 69 of em? Guess $hit happens (for some very often as a matter of fact) :idk:

He made many horrid decisions that season, what does this have to do w/ Ryan tannehill?

 

[Sarnics13]

did the snow make him make that horrid decision to throw the pick 6?

Please just stop. Do you honestly not realize how douchey it makes someone look to be such a regular poster on the rivals site. Just be quiet.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The Colts game stands out, IMO. It's the only game in two seasons in which I thought we might really have something, that Tannehill could significantly overcome his resume.

A road game after a victory is not necessarily a positive scenario. I thought we would play well. I remember mentioning the first two games as partial reason for my over 6.5 wins wager. They really seemed to set up well, unlike 2014. But after a victory it's common for a road team to start off poorly. If we won that came I thought we would likely have to rally. Instead, Tannehill and the offense were terrific and we jumped out 14-3. That's massive, allowing margin for error. When you jump out like that it means you are eligible to rebound later even if you have a cold patch, which is normal. Like Rory McIlroy on Saturday. His 4 shot lead was cut to nothing in the middle of the round. But rarely does the trend continue unchecked in the same direction. He regrouped and restored a 6 shot edge. It always bothers me when teams/individuals don't understand the value of an early lead. Comebacks are for suckers. They receive too much hype.

It was partially the offensive strategy in that game. We looked so decisive for a change. Quick darts to Wallace in dangerous space. Nice designs. You can't rely on sideways plays too often. The division foes in particular will rotate forward and chew them up. I still have no idea how we got away with the 4th down bail out to Clay against the Patriots. But against a non-divisional foe and especially on carpet they can be a surprise bonus. Well done.

The only downer in that game was that a quick 14 ended up at 24 and not 30+. Tannehill needs to create points via greed and audacity alone, regardless if the game plan or weather or teammates are not fully cooperating.

That's what Luck has done. So many games look statistically poor then he finds 4th quarter touchdowns and ends up with more points than the Colts seemingly deserve.

 

[Vaark]

He made many horrid decisions that season, what does this have to do w/ Ryan tannehill?

Just as you were saying elsewhere that buttfumble was good in '11 (when in fact he was awful and blew the last 3 games with a 56% completion record , 60.3QBr , 5TDs and 7 Ints against 3 teams that when the jets were facing them were 18-25 and finished the season 23-25 (feasting on buttfumble no doubt), it brings your opinion of Tannehill or any other QB into question. Just as declaring that statistically the worst QB who started for 4 years since JaMarcus was ever among the top 10 best despite a 28th ranking or that buttfumble played a major role in '09 or '10 when Westhoff the best coach on the field declared that he was at best a passenger on both post season buses.

Sure you can be critical of Tannehill, it's your prerogative although your number of related posts relative to actual fans would suggest that "the lady doth protest too much" but if you're copping out by declaring that buttfumble was awful in '12 which everyone knew, but not that 3 out of 4 years, he was at best "mediocre,' then frankly IMO it should invalidate your opinion of other QBs when you can't see the truth about yours :idk:

Since we don't operate in a vacuum, your opinion of buttfumble as your seemingly agenda-driven predictable overrepresentation in fins forum Tannehill related threads, calls into question both your objectivity and evaluative abilities.

FWIW, I've made some resolutions... I've said my piece, am not getting into any endless loop pissing matches, but whenever I see a thread being agendized, taken over, overpopulated, derailed, etc. I will alert and let the mods make their own decisions. :iik: