Grading & Rating Tannehill Game by Game

[nyjunc]

The Colts game stands out, IMO. It's the only game in two seasons in which I thought we might really have something, that Tannehill could significantly overcome his resume.

A road game after a victory is not necessarily a positive scenario. I thought we would play well. I remember mentioning the first two games as partial reason for my over 6.5 wins wager. They really seemed to set up well, unlike 2014. But after a victory it's common for a road team to start off poorly. If we won that came I thought we would likely have to rally. Instead, Tannehill and the offense were terrific and we jumped out 14-3. That's massive, allowing margin for error. When you jump out like that it means you are eligible to rebound later even if you have a cold patch, which is normal. Like Rory McIlroy on Saturday. His 4 shot lead was cut to nothing in the middle of the round. But rarely does the trend continue unchecked in the same direction. He regrouped and restored a 6 shot edge. It always bothers me when teams/individuals don't understand the value of an early lead. Comebacks are for suckers. They receive too much hype.

It was partially the offensive strategy in that game. We looked so decisive for a change. Quick darts to Wallace in dangerous space. Nice designs. You can't rely on sideways plays too often. The division foes in particular will rotate forward and chew them up. I still have no idea how we got away with the 4th down bail out to Clay against the Patriots. But against a non-divisional foe and especially on carpet they can be a surprise bonus. Well done.

The only downer in that game was that a quick 14 ended up at 24 and not 30+. Tannehill needs to create points via greed and audacity alone, regardless if the game plan or weather or teammates are not fully cooperating.

That's what Luck has done. So many games look statistically poor then he finds 4th quarter touchdowns and ends up with more points than the Colts seemingly deserve.

He was really good at Indy, if that Ryan or the 2nd NE game Ryan show up on a somewhat consistent basis I will be worried.

 

[nyjunc]

Just as you were saying elsewhere that buttfumble was good in '11 (when in fact he was awful and blew the last 3 games with a 56% completion record , 60.3QBr , 5TDs and 7 Ints against 3 teams that when the jets were facing them were 18-25 and finished the season 23-25 (feasting on buttfumble no doubt), it brings your opinion of Tannehill or any other QB into question. Just as declaring that statistically the worst QB who started for 4 years since JaMarcus was ever among the top 10 best despite a 28th ranking or that buttfumble played a major role in '09 or '10 when Westhoff the best coach on the field declared that he was at best a passenger on both post season buses.

Sure you can be critical of Tannehill, it's your prerogative although your number of related posts relative to actual fans would suggest that "the lady doth protest too much" but if you're copping out by declaring that buttfumble was awful in '12 which everyone knew, but not that 3 out of 4 years, he was at best "mediocre,' then frankly IMO it should invalidate your opinion of other QBs when you can't see the truth about yours :idk:

Since we don't operate in a vacuum, your opinion of buttfumble as your seemingly agenda-driven predictable overrepresentation in fins forum Tannehill related threads, calls into question both your objectivity and evaluative abilities.

FWIW, I've made some resolutions... I've said my piece, am not getting into any endless loop pissing matches, but whenever I see a thread being agendized, taken over, overpopulated, derailed, etc. I will alert and let the mods make their own decisions. :iik:

2009: good for a rookie
2010: very good
2011: mid of the pack
2012: one of the worst


I am fair w/ Ryan just as I was fair w/Mark and everyone else. When mark struggled down the stretch in 2011 he had 2 title game runs to fall back on, Ryan doesn't have that. This was Ryan's first crack at the big stage(close to it) and he failed miserably. I have said over and over that it doesn't mean he sucks or he will suck but I will always debate when people act like Ryan was really good last year b/c he wasn't.

 

[roy_miami]

did the snow make him make that horrid decision to throw the pick 6?

That was their defensive coordinator going over film, seeing a trend he could exploit and setting up a great play. I don't blame Tannehill for that one, I blame Mike Sherman for going to the well too often on that play. That type of thing should never happen in the NFL. I believe this film chess match is what makes Belichick so great, he's able to look at his own offenses tendencies with a defensive coordinator hat on, figure out what the opposing defensive coordinator might do to try exploit his offense then he exploits their attempted exploitation. That TD where he made the Jets D look silly with the play fake was a great example of this, Rex Ryan thought he had a play diagnosed but Belichick was two steps ahead of him. As a defensive mind Rex Ryan should be doing the same thing but as far as I can tell he's completely hands off on the offense.

On the flip side a lot of our ingenuity comes on the defensive side of the ball even though we have an offensive head coach. There is a great example of this from the Colts game, we did not rush Luck with our DE's, their primary job was to make sure Luck didn't escape, and all of our pressure came up the middle. As a great defensive coordinator Belichick understands how to exploit other defensive coordinators and I think its possible Philbin is more hands on with the defense because he knows how to frustrate other offensive coordinators.

I think being a coordinator may be the most demanding job on the team, even more demanding than the head coach. Thats why I firmly believe, with few exceptions, at those positions you need young fresh minds that can multitask with little rest throughout the season.

 

[hoops]

Qb has never ever been the issue in your mind...

I saw what I needed to see the first 4 weeks he started his rookie year...and so no it has not ever been an issue for me...if it was I would say so...I don't sugar coat anything

 

[hoops]

The Colts game stands out, IMO. It's the only game in two seasons in which I thought we might really have something, that Tannehill could significantly overcome his resume.

A road game after a victory is not necessarily a positive scenario. I thought we would play well. I remember mentioning the first two games as partial reason for my over 6.5 wins wager. They really seemed to set up well, unlike 2014. But after a victory it's common for a road team to start off poorly. If we won that came I thought we would likely have to rally. Instead, Tannehill and the offense were terrific and we jumped out 14-3. That's massive, allowing margin for error. When you jump out like that it means you are eligible to rebound later even if you have a cold patch, which is normal. Like Rory McIlroy on Saturday. His 4 shot lead was cut to nothing in the middle of the round. But rarely does the trend continue unchecked in the same direction. He regrouped and restored a 6 shot edge. It always bothers me when teams/individuals don't understand the value of an early lead. Comebacks are for suckers. They receive too much hype.

It was partially the offensive strategy in that game. We looked so decisive for a change. Quick darts to Wallace in dangerous space. Nice designs. You can't rely on sideways plays too often. The division foes in particular will rotate forward and chew them up. I still have no idea how we got away with the 4th down bail out to Clay against the Patriots. But against a non-divisional foe and especially on carpet they can be a surprise bonus. Well done.

The only downer in that game was that a quick 14 ended up at 24 and not 30+. Tannehill needs to create points via greed and audacity alone, regardless if the game plan or weather or teammates are not fully cooperating.

That's what Luck has done. So many games look statistically poor then he finds 4th quarter touchdowns and ends up with more points than the Colts seemingly deserve.

The last 2 paragraphs here are awesome and I completely agree I however think it has more to do with lack of polish due to less snaps under center college and pros combined than being incapable...in other words I think it comes with time...

 

[Finland]

Yeah, shutout on offense 2 years in a row to division rivals at the end of the season. Not a good sign. Line or no Line you have to find some way to avoid the shutout.
Those 2 games were just pitiful and RT17 was a large part of it.

I think Miami was totally figured out by defences the last two games. And figuring out how to own our oline was a big part.

 

[spiketex]

Very interesting to study the statistics - particularly the variability. My inclination is to observe more data and try to identify a trend.
The Pittsburgh game was Ryan Tannehill's first ever game playing in the snow and he learned from the experience and we still won the game thanks to some great efforts by Daniel Thomas and Charles Clay. The Foxboro game was affected by a very strong breeze for some of the game. I wouldn't be too quick to blame Tannehill for some mistakes and circumstances that were affected by the conditions. The danger of fixating on the statistics is that some people can use them to support an agenda. There are a few members of the media (like Alex Marvez and Skip Bayless) who have had a negative opinion of Ryan from the get go and seem to want to see him fail. They just want to be proven right rather than fairly observe how his career progresses.
The fact is Ryan Tannehill threw greater yardage (3913 vs 3294), more touchdowns (24 vs 12) and with a better pass completion % last season compared to his rookie season (he also rushed for greater yardage). His leadership grew and we won more games including beating noted QBs like Tom Brady, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers, head to head. His biggest problem was the lack of protection provided by the O-line with the 57 sacks, but he was still tough enough to play every game. It is ludicrous not to see the improvement he made last year.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Very interesting to study the statistics - particularly the variability. My inclination is to observe more data and try to identify a trend.
The Pittsburgh game was Ryan Tannehill's first ever game playing in the snow and he learned from the experience and we still won the game thanks to some great efforts by Daniel Thomas and Charles Clay. The Foxboro game was affected by a very strong breeze for some of the game. I wouldn't be too quick to blame Tannehill for some mistakes and circumstances that were affected by the conditions. The danger of fixating on the statistics is that some people can use them to support an agenda. There are a few members of the media (like Alex Marvez and Skip Bayless) who have had a negative opinion of Ryan from the get go and seem to want to see him fail. They just want to be proven right rather than fairly observe how his career progresses.
The fact is Ryan Tannehill threw greater yardage (3913 vs 3294), more touchdowns (24 vs 12) and with a better pass completion % last season compared to his rookie season (he also rushed for greater yardage). His leadership grew and we won more games including beating noted QBs like Tom Brady, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers, head to head. His biggest problem was the lack of protection provided by the O-line with the 57 sacks, but he was still tough enough to play every game. It is ludicrous not to see the improvement he made last year.

Excellent post. I'll add that I think the idea that this is a "make or break" year for Tannehill is ridiculous. Unless he regresses badly or convinces the coaching staff there is some major flaw in his game that cannot be corrected, he will continue to be the starting QB.

There are many current QBs that have had more time to win something than Tannehill. The league simply does not dump promising QBs because the team sucks around them. If this is Tannehill's last chance then Romo, Culter, Bradford, Stafford, Newton, Locker, and Dalton should be gone already. Hell Matt Ryan and Phillip Rivers better stop being the regular season darlings and win a f'n Super Bowl already. Come to think of it, what the hell has that washed up bum Brady won lately? Or Brees? Manning Brothers? the fans are tired of waiting for another. RGIII, Glennon, Foles, you are all on notice. Get er done, NOW! Luck? Finish the job and stop choking in the playoffs. Manuel, Geno? never mind, don't bother.

And don't you be too smug Mr. Wilson, the clock is already ticking.....

 

[nyjunc]

I saw what I needed to see the first 4 weeks he started his rookie year...and so no it has not ever been an issue for me...if it was I would say so...I don't sugar coat anything

I think w/ most issues you don't but w/ Ryan you do. You went all in w/ the crazy young Brady comment and you have to defend him at every turn. I get it, you see what he can become but you are pretending he hasn't been part of the problem and he has been- a big part.

I think Miami was totally figured out by defences the last two games. And figuring out how to own our oline was a big part.

Except your OL dominated our DL the last game so that can't be true.

 

[truedolfan57]

OH STOP THE PRESSES!!!! Miami didn't allow a sack in week 17!!!!! They must have been a stud offense all season!!! They sucked really bad the first half, but then got a little better the second half, all while allowing 7 sacks in one game in week 16?! oh, it's just one game, lets just throw that one out and not count it! They were playoff caliber for the second half of the season, minus one game! Tannehill was the ONLY thing wrong with the dolphins last year! that's why he's still the starting QB and there are 5 new starting lineman! You can't make any more sense of it than that! Let me throw in a comment about bullygate too.


There, I posted everything the troll would have said 20 times. so please move on.

 

[Sarnics13]

I think w/ most issues you don't but w/ Ryan you do. You went all in w/ the crazy young Brady comment and you have to defend him at every turn. I get it, you see what he can become but you are pretending he hasn't been part of the problem and he has been- a big part.



Except your OL dominated our DL the last game so that can't be true.

Seriously, just go away. It's getting obsessive. If you are trying to make the transition to south Florida now's the time.....go get yourself a Marino jersey and change your avatar. Why else would you park here day in and day out....

 

[truedolfan57]

Seriously, just go away. It's getting obsessive. If you are trying to make the transition to south Florida now's the time.....go get yourself a Marino jersey and change your avatar. Why else would you park here day in and day out....

honestly, I think it's because the majority of jets fans have ignored him on their own board, and he gets way too much attention on this board. I think if we can try and stop responding to him, he will fizzle out. I hope. And I should start myself. It's getting old, REAL FAST.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

honestly, I think it's because the majority of jets fans have ignored him on their own board, and he gets way too much attention on this board. I think if we can try and stop responding to him, he will fizzle out. I hope. And I should start myself. It's getting old, REAL FAST.

The ignore feature is great!

If a troll posts on a message board and everyone has him on ignore, does it really exist?

 

[truedolfan57]

The ignore feature is great!

If a troll posts on a message board and everyone has him on ignore, does it really exist?

I have never used the ignore feature, and I've been a part of forums since 2003. and have seen some obnoxious posters. I think now is a great time to start. I keep forgetting about that feature. lol

 

[mithga13]

I'm very very interested in seeing how Tannehill plays out this year with a better line and a not-brain dead offensive coordinator with go and go-go, and 6 or 8 runs per game, and moving Wallace around the field.

If at the end of this coming season we're 6-10 or 8-8 and Tanny's had a midling season where he flops badly in more than two games(all QB's have 1 bad game per season, even the great ones) than I'll start thinking we need to at least begin looking at the possibility of drafting a QB in the 2nd round for competition.