Greenberg is an idiot!!
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metalman32060
Misplaced PhinFan
:lol2::lol2::lol2:
PogiRo
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I really don't understand this attitude on this board about Ross and Ireland. We think these guys have such a bad rep around the league. Did Ross screw up with Sparano and Harbaugh? Sure. But what else is there? He gets bashed on this board for bringing in celebrities as co-owners, but I don't have much of a problem with the guy. And I don't think he has the rep around the league that you guys think he does. I may be wrong, I don't know. Chris Carter was on Sportscenter talking about Miami and he had a lot of nice things to say about Ross.
Ireland? What? He had the Dez Bryant's interview scandal, but what else? Everyone talking about Manning coming here, they say we have talent to surround him with on O, and a solid D. The team is improving. We won a good number of games after starting slow last year. You know who had a big hand in all of that? Ireland.
So where's the reason for the league to not respect Ross and Ireland?
SuperMarksBros.
Formerly Fiedler for MVP
Did Ryan Clark have an opinion on Ireland? Did Crowder? Fisher gave us his opinion on Ross, then Ross turned around and jabbed at Fisher for that("there was only one candidate that didnt want to coach the Dolphins"), at Philbins introductory presser, no less. Great timing.
How many of the pregame guys(former players and coaches) on all the networks wondered aloud why Ross was going after Harbaugh and leaving Sparano twisting in the wind. And wow, you quickly dismissed the Dez Bryant thing. It was a black eye to be sure and Ireland came off looking terrible.
I'm a Dolphins homer too, but Im not pretending everything has been hunky dory in Davie.
Dolphan5876
CrookedFin
Now THAT"S FUNNY!!!!!
PogiRo
Starter
Huh? I didn't dismiss anything. I brought it up. I'm not trying to debate each mistake that Ireland and Ross have, I just simply think that people on this board assume way too much in extrapolating Ireland's and Ross' reputation on this board and say that the league thinks the same.
And I'm not saying Ireland and Ross are perfect. But the product on the field will speak louder for the organization than Ireland's and Ross' reputation. And this is an up and coming team that Peyton could make an instant contender. People questioning Ross, and especially Ireland, forget that the Dolphins are in the discussion for bringing in Peyton because of these guys.
SuperMarksBros.
Formerly Fiedler for MVP
I'm not assuming people around the league think the same, I've given documented instances that prove it.
The product on the field has spoken very loudly.
What? Neither of these 2 has done anything to prove that players, coaches or anyone else wants to come to Miami specifically to team up with them.
PogiRo
Starter
You misunderstood. I said the Dolphins are in the discussion because the team has a good enough supporting cast to provide to Peyton Manning because of the roster that Ireland put together. If a roster that Ireland put together was known to be a poor roster do you think we'd be one of the hot spots that Manning would go to? It seems the media has us as the early favorite. It's known to have a good supporting cast, we just need a QB to tie it all together. That speaks to me more than a few biased Dolphin fans who have an ax to grind because they don't agree with Ireland's moves.
And how did Fisher give his opinion of Ross? By choosing St. Louis? They gave him the organizational control that Ross was unwilling to give. I don't see that as a way to see Fisher's opinion of Ross at all. And then you think Channing Crowder, a very cooky and much maligned player on this board (though I honestly don't agree with the hostility to him), and Ryan Clark, who simply decided to RETURN to the always contending Pittsburgh Steelers are ways to judge Ross' and Ireland's league reputation?
matt11390
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If Peyton could lead a team to the playoffs who couldn't win but 2 games without him, he can lead Miami to a Super Bowl. I don't think these sports nuts are thinking about this. Peyton will make a winner out of whomever he signs with.
SuperMarksBros.
Formerly Fiedler for MVP
Maybe Fisher has a poor opinion of Ross, maybe not. But I dont think there's any question that Ross-s comments directed at Fisher during Philbin's presser were petty and childish. Lets add to that the Harbaugh debacle, Florida Gator day when the opposing starting QB was the most heralded Gator, the Henne comparison to Marino comments, and the recent articles by not one, but 2 newspapers, saying the Dolphins will not deal for RG3 because Fisher turned them down...add all of that and we have an owner that seemingly cannot get out of his own way, and has trouble seperating what is business and what is personal.
As far as Ireland, we've heard he negative comments. Add to that the fact that the Dolphins have put together 3 consecutive losing products on the field(while still not finding us a QB), and I doubt anyone would lose sleep over his firing. The guy is made of teflon, I cant imagine many inexperienced GM's that would still be employed following the four years he's managed to put together.
PogiRo
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So like I said, people here have their opinions of Ross and Ireland. Let's not assume, which is what you are doing, you essentially admit that here, that that is his reputation in around the league. Hell, on this board alone you'll find people who don't care about Florida Gator day. And are you talking about how Ross hoped Henne would be the greatest QB in Dolphin history? Jeez. These are all things YOU don't agree with. You think Peyton will say, "Oh man, Ross hopes he has a QB that will surpass Marino... that owner is bad news..."? And Fisher turning down the Dolphins' offers for the #2 pick? Really? That speaks to Ross' league reputation?
What negative comments? And I don't blame Ireland for not finding a QB. It's no an easy job. And it takes a lot of things going right to provide the right circumstances where a team finds themselves in the right position to get a legit QB. I'm not going to turn this into coulda/woulda/shoulda discussion, but IMO, in Ireland's time here, there was no QB that we could realistically get, that would take us to the Super Bowl. And I'm not one who thinks they just need to commit to a good QB, they need to commit to a QB that they truly believe would get us to the Super Bowl. There hasn't be one.
*sigh* We've been through this before:
Ryan Clark: no intention of leaving Pittsburgh, and he more or less tweeted that, only to use the Fins for leverage to sweeten the Steelers re-up, unless he could convince them to back up the truck like the Giants just did for an exceptional safety in Antel Rolle. This is especially true since his mediocre play was revealed without an injured Palamolu to disguise his flaws. Ireland told him he'd make a fair offer reflecting his true market value, but if he thought he was gonna get paid like Rolle, don't waste Ireland or his own time. If being a blunt realist is a turn-off then I guess Ireland was guilty. Beyond that good for him.
Fisher: exactly what traction does a coach who had 6 winning seasons out of 17 have to insist on personnel control? Has anything he's done in the past justified that? I can understand he had to contend with a buttinski owner who foisted Vince Young on him but still who was the dummazz for renewing his contract under those conditions at least twice if not 3X? Why should the Fins pay the price for this mediocre coach's own stupidity? Fisher showed no class in his presser when he declared there really was no decision to wrestle over. The reality is that he along with Marvin Demoff colluded with Demoff's son, the COO of the Rams to jack up Fisher's price and wrest control concessions out of Kroenke. Krooenke was played as much as Ross, but my interpretation is that kudos go to Ross for keeping Ireland instead of entrusting the farm to an unproven grocery buyer with more losses than wins. And some things happen for a reason. As the de facto GM, Fisher hired one of the worst OCs in the league and then didn't do his due dilligence on his DC, including determining why NO was anxious to offload him. Result: firs t2 hires suck so thanks Ross, cause "there but for the grace of god go us!"
Channing Crowder? That guy is an azzclown. Even the jest, who love to take all our garbage, and now may sign Brown, didn't want him. Of course he's gonna be pizzed at a boss who revealed him for what he was, especially when replaced by a superior ILB in Burnett, so it sure wasn't a cost-saving concern!
Ireland gets tarred and feathered for a lot - some of it justifiable and some of it a visceral preconditioned gut reaction. IMO the bottom-line, he could have done better with and without the Tuna but with an exceptional QB like Manning, we're no different than the 6-10 2010 SF 49ers who competed in a worse division and finished softer than us yet this season ended up a play or 2 away from the SB. Long way of saying: Ireland for his faults has put a pretty good team in place already.
Ryan Clark: no intention of leaving Pittsburgh, and he more or less tweeted that, only to use the Fins for leverage to sweeten the Steelers re-up, unless he could convince them to back up the truck like the Giants just did for an exceptional safety in Antel Rolle. This is especially true since his mediocre play was revealed without an injured Palamolu to disguise his flaws. Ireland told him he'd make a fair offer reflecting his true market value, but if he thought he was gonna get paid like Rolle, don't waste Ireland or his own time. If being a blunt realist is a turn-off then I guess Ireland was guilty. Beyond that good for him.
Fisher: exactly what traction does a coach who had 6 winning seasons out of 17 have to insist on personnel control? Has anything he's done in the past justified that? I can understand he had to contend with a buttinski owner who foisted Vince Young on him but still who was the dummazz for renewing his contract under those conditions at least twice if not 3X? Why should the Fins pay the price for this mediocre coach's own stupidity? Fisher showed no class in his presser when he declared there really was no decision to wrestle over. The reality is that he along with Marvin Demoff colluded with Demoff's son, the COO of the Rams to jack up Fisher's price and wrest control concessions out of Kroenke. Krooenke was played as much as Ross, but my interpretation is that kudos go to Ross for keeping Ireland instead of entrusting the farm to an unproven grocery buyer with more losses than wins. And some things happen for a reason. As the de facto GM, Fisher hired one of the worst OCs in the league and then didn't do his due dilligence on his DC, including determining why NO was anxious to offload him. Result: firs t2 hires suck so thanks Ross, cause "there but for the grace of god go us!"
Channing Crowder? That guy is an azzclown. Even the jest, who love to take all our garbage, and now may sign Brown, didn't want him. Of course he's gonna be pizzed at a boss who revealed him for what he was, especially when replaced by a superior ILB in Burnett, so it sure wasn't a cost-saving concern!
Ireland gets tarred and feathered for a lot - some of it justifiable and some of it a visceral preconditioned gut reaction. IMO the bottom-line, he could have done better with and without the Tuna but with an exceptional QB like Manning, we're no different than the 6-10 2010 SF 49ers who competed in a worse division and finished softer than us yet this season ended up a play or 2 away from the SB. Long way of saying: Ireland for his faults has put a pretty good team in place already.
SanDiegoFinFan7
Practice Squad
cant stand that douchebag. Espn hires ****ing clowns.
SuperMarksBros.
Formerly Fiedler for MVP
I see you picked sections you liked and commented on them. How about the part where Ross hangs Sparano out to dry by OPENLY courting Harbaugh? And Ireland boards the plane with him no less? Or the comments directed at Fisher during Philbins presser? Or even that they dont want to deal with Fisher simply because of butthurt? No you failed to mention these because they make Ross look like a clown at best, and an ***hole at worst. No, Peyton wouldnt would mind playing for an owner that wanted a QB as good as Marino, but I wonder what he thinks of some of the actions mentioned above.
I'm done here. If you wont acknowledge that negative comments have been said about Ireland, publicly no less, then this conversation is over. Instead, I'll play along and join you in burying your head in the sand, and we can sing kumbaya while Irelands managing and interview styles continue to receive glowing praise... and we continue to pile up winning season after winning season with his personnel.