Greenberg says Manning to SEA, Edwards says MIA

[MD]

Wrong. Cassel had 3 years in NE and went 11-5 and we know how well Casell has played in KC. Collins did no worse then Painter and Painter had 2 years in Indy. Peyton Manning carried that team.


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[lynxdolfan]

I heard it this morning and tweeted the show the following "Greeny, even if Manning doesn't come to MIA the Jets will still be third in the division behind the Fins and Pats" :)

 

[nyjunc]

Wrong. Painter has been in that system like Cassell was in NE system. Cassel went 11-5 and we know how well Casell has played in KC. Collins did no worse then Painter. Peyton Manning carried that team.


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The difference is Painter CAN'T PLAY. Cassel would go on to lead another franchise to a div title in 2010. Painter will be out of the league when Indy lets him go. Indy was so confident in painter they overpaid for a 40+ yr old QB that was retired. Did NE make any crazy moves after Brady went down?

In 2007 the Pats beat playoff bound teams by an average of almost 20 PPG, in 2008 going 2-4 against playoff bound teams they lost by an average of almost 18 PPG. They were undefeated in 2007 then won 10 games w/ Cassell starting against a much easier sched- that is a HUGE dropoff.

 

[Vaark]

The difference is Painter CAN'T PLAY. Cassel would go on to lead another franchise to a div title in 2010. Painter will be out of the league when Indy lets him go. Indy was so confident in painter they overpaid for a 40+ yr old QB that was retired. Did NE make any crazy moves after Brady went down?

In 2007 the Pats beat playoff bound teams by an average of almost 20 PPG, in 2008 going 2-4 against playoff bound teams they lost by an average of almost 18 PPG. They were undefeated in 2007 then won 10 games w/ Cassell starting against a much easier sched- that is a HUGE dropoff.

Hopefully like most everyone else you realized and understood that Painter can't play as you watched the 2nd half of the 09 game 15.. if not before, when watching him against Buffalo. Pretty sure, as you pointed out, The Colts knew it also by then. But thanks for the confirmation anyway :up:

 

[Daytona Fin]

Was just listening to the Mike and Mike show. About 45 min ago they had Herm Edwards on discussing the possible landing spot for Manning. Edwards said he just felt it in his gut that Manning was coming to Miami. He was slightly complementary of our defense, Brandon Marshall, said we had a "good tight end" meaning either Anthony Fasano or our cheerleaders since he drew a blank on a name, and said it just made the most sense. Greenberg then gave his opinion, the whiny little tart, about how Seattle would be a much better fit, and that it doesn't make sense for Manning to play under a first year head coach in Philbin.

the moral of this story is
greeny is scared ****less of manning going to miami and will try to detract as much as anyone.
edwards isnt a homer and can see the writing on the wall.

 

[NY8123]

It must be hard to "know" something when the guy (Peyton) doesn't even know where he is going.

 

[MD]

Nice one Mike. Junc you fell right into that one and I happen to agree Brady is the best QB but a debate can be made for Manning. He had a lot less of a supporting cast.

 

[JCane]

Greenie is a Miami *****. He's a Jet fan.

Guess you just missed the part where Greenberg went on a verbal beatdown crusade against his Jets.

This idea that Greenberg is some on-air Miami ***** and sets out to crush the Dolphins day in and day out is so far from the truth it's laughable.

He's much more objective than 99.9% of Dolphin fans on FinHeaven.

 

[nyjunc]

Nice one Mike. Junc you fell right into that one and I happen to agree Brady is the best QB but a debate can be made for Manning. He had a lot less of a supporting cast.

I disagree, manning had much more offensive talent and the D's were comparable in postseason. Add in more than half of Manning's games came in domes and he has had a big edge.

 

[Mr772]

It's definitely Brady. In recent years Brady has been more Manning like in postseason but he still has the edge. Manning was getting close, if he wouldn't have thrown away the SB 2 years ago and would have staye dhealthy he could have caught and maybe passed Brady but Brady is easily the best of this generation. it sucks to say that since we have seen him beat both our teams and dominate our division but to me it's not that close.

Manning IMO is far better than Brady I don't think it's even close either. Manning has been the better player his whole life at every level, no question IMO.

Brady has been benifit of some special videos . Brady also gets bloated stats because of the spread they run up in NE. Just like the bloated stats you see from QB's comming out of some of the spread schools in college. I don't think Brady could even run a pro style offense like Manning he dosen't have the arm for the deep outs and dig routes. Brady operates in the flat and the middle of the field short to deep.

Brady is top notch and a great QB no doubt but Manning is like having your offensive coordinator on the field for every snap.

 

[Vaark]

Guess you just missed the part where Greenberg went on a verbal beatdown crusade against his Jets.

This idea that Greenberg is some on-air Miami ***** and sets out to crush the Dolphins day in and day out is so far from the truth it's laughable.

He's much more objective than 99.9% of Dolphin fans on FinHeaven.

To the contrary, having a national, not a local podium, what he says to maintain some semblance of credibility vs what he thinks are not necessarily in lockstep. Factoring in their OL, running game, cancerous clubhouse, the dysfunctional prime receiver, a clueless new pound and ground OC, the bravado and unfulfilled false promises, for the metrosexual to suggest it would be a good landing spot for someone in as much control and as classy as Peyton would defy any logic and be transparently homeristic.

I saw that segment also (as I flip between them and CNBC frequently) and my impression was he had a gut reaction based on the fear that Peyton would end up with the H8'd Fins. The show's is popular with some league following so from his jaundiced perspective he laid out some lame reasons why Peyton shouldn't, and in fact suggested AZ and Seattle, as far away from the AFCE as possible, hoping that this will resonate with people who influence Peyton. To think he didn't have an agenda my friend is trollishly naive. :idk:

 

[nyjunc]

Manning IMO is far better than Brady I don't think it's even close either. Manning has been the better player his whole life at every level, no question IMO.

Brady has been benifit of some special videos . Brady also gets bloated stats because of the spread they run up in NE. Just like the bloated stats you see from QB's comming out of some of the spread schools in college. I don't think Brady could even run a pro style offense like Manning he dosen't have the arm for the deep outs and dig routes. Brady operates in the flat and the middle of the field short to deep.

Brady is top notch and a great QB no doubt but Manning is like having your offensive coordinator on the field for every snap.

at every level except the NFL level.

bloated stats? they both throw much more than they handoff but only one of them plays more than half their games in domes while the other plays most of hios games outdoors in the NE.

Who cares if peyton is like an OC? it's about winning and NE wins more w/ Brayd and b/c of Brady. manning has held back Indy in postseason and as mediocre as Brady has been in postseason recently he hasn't been the primary problem in their playoff losses like Peyton was in Indy.

 

[Vaark]

at every level except the NFL level.

bloated stats? they both throw much more than they handoff but only one of them plays more than half their games in domes while the other plays most of hios games outdoors in the NE.

Who cares if peyton is like an OC? it's about winning and NE wins more w/ Brayd and b/c of Brady. manning has held back Indy in postseason and as mediocre as Brady has been in postseason recently he hasn't been the primary problem in their playoff losses like Peyton was in Indy.

except when it comes to Brady's kryptonite, Eli Manning :idk:

 

[Mr772]

at every level except the NFL level.

bloated stats? they both throw much more than they handoff but only one of them plays more than half their games in domes while the other plays most of hios games outdoors in the NE.

Who cares if peyton is like an OC? it's about winning and NE wins more w/ Brayd and b/c of Brady. manning has held back Indy in postseason and as mediocre as Brady has been in postseason recently he hasn't been the primary problem in their playoff losses like Peyton was in Indy.

Here is the flaw to your argument - This is a team sport do you think if they were swapped Brady to the Colts and Manning to the Pats that the Colts would have won more games than they did with Manning? Those NE teams were better all around teams and better coached. Take away the Championships the Cheatriots won during video gate and they haven't won any championships at all.

You can't pin losses just on Manning, manning carried those teams. The only game that really sticks out to me that looked like a "QB loss" would be the Eagles loss to the Cheatriots in the championship and that was a close one and McNabb played like total crap.

 

[JCane]

To the contrary, having a national, not a local podium, what he says to maintain some semblance of credibility vs what he thinks are not necessarily in lockstep. Factoring in their OL, running game, cancerous clubhouse, the dysfunctional prime receiver, a clueless new pound and ground OC, the bravado and unfulfilled false promises, for the metrosexual to suggest it would be a good landing spot for someone in as much control and as classy as Peyton would defy any logic and be transparently homeristic.

I saw that segment also (as I flip between them and CNBC frequently) and my impression was he had a gut reaction based on the fear that Peyton would end up with the H8'd Fins. The show's is popular with some league following so from his jaundiced perspective he laid out some lame reasons why Peyton shouldn't, and in fact suggested AZ and Seattle, as far away from the AFCE as possible, hoping that this will resonate with people who influence Peyton. To think he didn't have an agenda my friend is trollishly naive. :idk:

I'm not saying the Greenberg was "accurate" in where he thinks the best fit for Peyton is but he did have a valid point in which Peyton would; and should, consider.

Does he believe in Joe Philbin.

But using the same argument, what has Pete Carroll or Ken Wishenhunt shown that would lead you to believe that they are capable of getting to the big game.

I think personnel wise on this field we're in a better position to go deeper with Peyton Manning. And it doesn't matter who the coach is, Peyton will get under center and do what he does which is make correct presnap reads and flip plays at the line. So it doesn't matter who your coach is or who your offensive coordinator is when you have Peyton Manning orchestrating your offense.

It really falls on your defense and I think Greenberg missed on that.