I saw a lot of Jets games that year, you could see his arm strength get worse each week. That 08 Jets won 9 games and beat:
11-5 NE
11-5 Miami
13-3 Titans (Made it to the AFCC game)
9-7 Cardinals (NFC Champs)
The 09 Jets were a joke in the regular season with the biggest win being against 10-6 NE (in the second game of the season) That NE team would later get pummeled in the playoffs by Bal. They lost 6 of 7 at one point, and Indy gave them the game. The 09 Jets couldn't even beat teams like 7-9 Miami, 7-9 Jacksonville, 6-10 Buff, and with the playoffs on the line, 9-7 Atlanta. There was no way they were going to beat the undefeated Colts had they kept their starters in. It was a 9-3 Colts lead at the half. The Jets got back in the game with a kick off return for a TD. Manning came back in for 1 drive and they scored a TD giving them the 15-10 lead. Then they quit. Painter came in and on his first pass attempt, gives the Jets 7. At that point, not just Manning, but all of the starters were out. I know you are going to bring up the playoff game and say they were leading by 4 at the half, but games are 4 quarters, not 2. Indy went on to win 30-17. There is no way that team would have beat Indy had they kept their starters in.
What do you base that on? An 0-2 start after a 5-11 season the year before? Parcells had an almost identical 6-10 record and started out 0-2 in 96 and not only made the playoffs, but went to the Super Bowl.
Bledsoe did it before in 96 against tougher competition, and he could have done it again in 01 against easier competition.
Brady didn't play like the Brady we know today in 01. That team was carried by the D and special teams and didn't have a very tough schedule. In 2001 they faced 10 teams with a losing record. The Dolphins, Jets and the Rams were the only teams they faced that had a record above .500. They split with the Dolphins and Jets, and lost to the Rams.
Brady won his first start against the 6-10 Colts. He lost his next start to the 11-5 Dolphins. His next 2 games were against the 5-11 Chargers, and the 6-10 Colts again. He lost to the 8-8 Broncos before beating the 7-9 Falcons and the 3-13 Bills. He also beat the 7-9 Saints, the 7-9 Browns, the 3-13 Bills again, and the 1-15 Panthers. You can't tell me that it is not possible that Bledsoe could have had the same success against those weak teams.
What does Bill's record in the 90's with a different team have to do with Brady? It was a completely different team. His record without Brady in 08 is the only thing that we have as a fair comparison. Yes, belichick went 5-11 in 2000, but that was his first year, and they were only 8-8 in the previous season.
I saw every single throw he made and he was struggling late in the year b/c of poor decision making moreso than any physical limitation. Again, he supposedly injured the arm in october and played his best football in November.
beat the cassel led Pats
a medicore Miami team that took advantage of a weak sched
The Titan win was a really good win but that was the end of the season.
The Cards were awful travelling across Country.
The '09 jets would have beaten the '08 jets easily, Favre would have turned it over 3-4 times. We had a big time D in 2009, we didn't have that in '08. We had QBs turning it over at a hig rate in both years but one was a rookie and one a future HOFer. We were better all around in 2009 and in '09 we beat SD on the road int he div rd- a win MUCH better than any in 2008.
Games are 4 qtrs long and we trailed by just 5 midway through the 3rd.
What do I base it on? watching that team play. A team that lost in week 1 to a bad Bengal team then lost to us in week 2 when we didn't play well. I saw a change in that team the instant Brady stepped on the field, they never scored but they started moving the ball and w/ the statue Bledasoe back there they maybe win 7 games that year.
The scheds were similar, they played a game or twop more that was difficult but they were 1-2 against playoff bound teams losing by an average of 16 PPG, in '01 they lost to eventual NFC champ SL by 7. In postseason they got lucky that 1 seed Den got picked off and played a 2nd yr expansion team in the title game at home. In '01 they had to face a really good Oakland team in the div rd then face the #1 seed on the road.
and Curtis Martin carried Bledsoe. In 3 playoff games Bledsoe threw 3 TDs and 7 INTs(sounds familiar) while Curtis averaged 5.4 YPC
Brady was not the great QB he is today but he limited mistakes and made big plays to win games. It's amazing how everyone thought the OL sucked in '00 and early '01 then Brady comes in and the Ol is all of sudden good b/c he makes qucik decisions and doesn't hold onto the ball looking for big plays like Bledsoe always did.
Indy wound up 6-10 but Indy was supposed to be a big time team and Indy was 2-0 heading into that game. Their season fell apart b/c of some injuries.
In week 1 Bledsoe lost to the 6-10 Bengals, in 2000 Bledsoe lost to the 3-13 Browns, 5-11 Bears
W/ NE he hasn't had Brady for 2 full seasons and they missed the playoffs both times, w/ Brady he made it 9 of 10 years and missed once on a tiebreaker.
Is 5-11 worse than 8-8? again, they started 0-2 in 2001 before Brady rescued BB's HC career and that franchise.
That made no sense !!! You just said because manning lost a superbowl and didnt stay healthy, he couldn't surpass brady, so brady is easily the better of the two. Too often you resort to either bringing up the past, or ignoring it... which ever suits your antagonistic side of the arguments. But still. your efforts remain comical and we appreciate that.
A real argument you could make, if you really came to share insight and not push buttons....... would be to say this :
The greatest QB of a generation ? Even if that were true.... what makes you think he can ever play at that level again ? And even if he does... one hit can possibly paralyze him. Did you see him in 2010 before the surgeries ? You clammer that the greatest may be coming to your team but in reality your probably wasting time chasing a washed up - has-been, when miami needs to draft and develop a franchise quarterback for once. Hell, it worked last time.... but that was 28 years agooooo !
How does it make no sense? Peyton threw away a SUPER BOWL. He was getting close to Brady and if he could have played well and led his team to a 2nd SB win he would have been really close but combining throwing away the SB then missing a season late in his career and not knowing if he will ever be the same has created much more distance btw the two.
The competition in the playoffs was better in 01, but the 96 Pats beat their playoff opponents by a combined score of 48-9. 