Greenberg says Manning to SEA, Edwards says MIA

[Vaark]

I understand that, you said I called other posters "make a case or debate something" I call them whiners. I was simply pointing out I wasn't calling new guy a whiner, I appreciate what he is soing. he is a knowledgeable guy not taking shots at me but at my arguments. I may not agree w/ him but I appreciate the fun back and forth. You are knowledgeable too, insetad of worrying about me just have fun w/ the discussions.

and it is a fact that vaark is jealous of the Jets, read his posts. He is always bringing up the Jets and the excuses he makes for the success they have had are priceless.

Okay, I admit I was jealous of the **** they stepped in to backdoor (sounds familiar for Rex and Taco?) into the post season instead of our superior 09 team maybe, but that was so undeserved and egregious that the league put a stop to that immediately and one of the results was the fins having the pleasure this season of eliminating any chance at the time they played the jest of that team once again sneaking into the postseason thanks to other teams' direct and indirect help. Beyond that, how could I be jealous of a team with an immoral, perverted, buffoon of bloated empty-guaranteeing coach who never won his division, has 1 out of 3 legitimate winning seasons, instructs its guido coaches to trip opposing players, encourages his fans to intimidate opposing teams' fans, and has a QB who could not start for over 24 teams in the league including ours. Nice try but dream on.

 

[nyjunc]

The jealousy never ends, it's why you make all those comical excuses and always have to bring the Jets into every discussion.

 

[NYPhin24]

How does posting at a phins site say I am jealous of the phins? I enjoy posting here, I enjoy learning about one of our div rivals- what would I have to be jealous of w/ regards to the dolphins vs. Jets? History? Miami hasn't won a SB in my lifetime and we have the better recent history.

you dont learn, you just criticize and down play the Dolphins

case and point "what would I have to be jealous of w/ regards to the dolphins vs. Jets? " cant go a single post without indirectly insulting the Dolphins and upplaying the Jets

"we have the better recent history" again your reptitiveness everytime even though i said in another thread you derailed about being 7 games better than the Dolphins in the last decade

and what is the most recent history,the past season right? Jets were 2 games better than the Dolphins after the Dolphins spotted them a 0-7 start.....oh and the Dolphins eliminated the Jets from the playoffs whether you will admit or not (which you wont b/c you will say they wouldnt have made it anyway)

 

[nyjunc]

you dont learn, you just criticize and down play the Dolphins

case and point "what would I have to be jealous of w/ regards to the dolphins vs. Jets? " cant go a single post without indirectly insulting the Dolphins and upplaying the Jets

"we have the better recent history" again your reptitiveness everytime even though i said in another thread you derailed about being 7 games better than the Dolphins in the last decade

and what is the most recent history,the past season right? Jets were 2 games better than the Dolphins after the Dolphins spotted them a 0-7 start.....oh and the Dolphins eliminated the Jets from the playoffs whether you will admit or not (which you wont b/c you will say they wouldnt have made it anyway)

I give honest opinions, I apologize that your team hasn't been very good and you are sensitive to criticism of a mediocre team. When they win I'll tip my cap like I did in 2008.

I answered the question honestly- how am I jealous and what would I have to be jealous of?

So you spotted us an 0-7 start- does that mean it didn't count that we finished 2 games ahead of you? I don;t get that line of thinking and no you didn't elimate us, you eliminated any hope but even had we won we wouldn't have been a playoff team.

 

[The New Guy]

I understand that, you said I called other posters "make a case or debate something" I call them whiners. I was simply pointing out I wasn't calling new guy a whiner, I appreciate what he is soing. he is a knowledgeable guy not taking shots at me but at my arguments. I may not agree w/ him but I appreciate the fun back and forth. You are knowledgeable too, insetad of worrying about me just have fun w/ the discussions.
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Thanks! We are just talking about football and no one should take anything personal. It is all in fun. I realize that some people get annoyed with things going off topic, and for that I apologize for keeping it going. I enjoy debating what I think is right, and know that if everyone had the same opinion, there would not be much to talk about. I would have no problem if the mods wanted to move the thread somewhere else. I just don't think starting a new thread in a different forum (when we are this far into the discussion) would be the same.

The Jets in '09 didn't have a consistent pattern of losing like Ari '08 did. Ari '08 in the NE lost by a combined 151-62 in 3 games- that's an average of 50(yes FIFTY) to 21. The Jets didn't have any bad blowouts in 2009.

The 09 Jets were losers of 6 of 7 at one point. That is a pretty consistent pattern of losing no? The Cardinals never lost more than 2 in a row the whole season. They did get blown out in the 3 games on the EC, but it was on the EC and they played 3 good teams. (11-5 Mia, 11-5 NE, and Philly team that made it to the NFCC game that year)

In the title game the D/STs won the game, in the div rd the D kept them in the game in a blizzard where 2 offenses couldn't score but w/ the game on the line what happened? yeah they got a break w/ the tuck rule but they still had to execute after that and he led them to the tying and winning scores. The 2001 Pats D was the best of their dynasty years but the D still blew a 14 pt 4th qtr lead in the SB before Brady led one of the greatest drives in SB history.

We both agree that the D and ST won the title game that year. Without the D holding Oak to 13 and the tuck rule, they also lose that game. I just don't see how Brady can get all the credit for putting them in FG range. He gets some credit for that, but more credit should go to the D and Vinatieri. He is the one who kicked a 45 yard FG in basically a blizzard to put the game in OT. If it was anyone else and the kicker had missed, people would be saying that the QB has to do more than put them in position for a 45 yard FG attempt in those conditions. But becasue it is Brady, he gets more credit then he deserves.

They won the SB through the air, at their own 17 w/ just over aminute left and NO timeouts Brady led them to the GW FG.

The D held the Rams to 17 points, and put 7 points on the board, but Brady gets the credit for putting them in FG range at the end of the game? That was a Rams team that was averaging 31 PPG in the regular season and 37PPG in the playoffs. That drive would mean nothing if it weren't for the D. He only had to lead the offense to 13 points. Why do you give the credit to the Giants D instead of Eli when Eli did the same thing, but better since he led them to a TD, and didn't have the help of the D scoring 7 for him. If you applied the same to Brady, it would be one thing, but you don't. You give Brady more credit when he had more help from the D and only put them in FG range?

16-27-145-1 for Brady
30-40-296-1 for Eli

If the Giants D gets more credit, then the Pats D should get even more credit.

My point is you mentioned w/ Brady they had it at the Pitt 40 and didn't score, they were two totally different situations. he set them up to score before he left, not every game is 40-37.

My point is that Brady had the same opportunity when they were even closer (1st and 10 from the Pitt 36) and he couldn't score. He did nothing the whole half, so I don't feel he deserve credit for putting them on the Pitt 40 when it was Bledsoe who led them to a TD.

use the eye test, the '02 Jets, Phins and Pats would have killed the '08 Jets, Phins & Pats. keep in mind both Miami and the Jets were lonly 9-7 b/c of some key injuries and NE was having a SB hangover after winning their first SB.

Super Bowl hangover, key injuries; whatever the reasons they were not great teams that year.

In 2002 The Jets had to face Cle, GB, Oak, den, in 2008 they had to face Ten and Arizona.

What happened to the "Playoff bound" argument? They faced 3 playoff bound teams in 02 and 3 playoff bound teams in 08. The AFC East faced fewer playoff bound teams in 02 than they did in 08.

 

[nyjunc]

Thanks! We are just talking about football and no one should take anything personal. It is all in fun. I realize that some people get annoyed with things going off topic, and for that I apologize for keeping it going. I enjoy debating what I think is right, and know that if everyone had the same opinion, there would not be much to talk about. I would have no problem if the mods wanted to move the thread somewhere else. I just don't think starting a new thread in a different forum (when we are this far into the discussion) would be the same.



The 09 Jets were losers of 6 of 7 at one point. That is a pretty consistent pattern of losing no? The Cardinals never lost more than 2 in a row the whole season. They did get blown out in the 3 games on the EC, but it was on the EC and they played 3 good teams. (11-5 Mia, 11-5 NE, and Philly team that made it to the NFCC game that year)




We both agree that the D and ST won the title game that year. Without the D holding Oak to 13 and the tuck rule, they also lose that game. I just don't see how Brady can get all the credit for putting them in FG range. He gets some credit for that, but more credit should go to the D and Vinatieri. He is the one who kicked a 45 yard FG in basically a blizzard to put the game in OT. If it was anyone else and the kicker had missed, people would be saying that the QB has to do more than put them in position for a 45 yard FG attempt in those conditions. But becasue it is Brady, he gets more credit then he deserves.



The D held the Rams to 17 points, and put 7 points on the board, but Brady gets the credit for putting them in FG range at the end of the game? That was a Rams team that was averaging 31 PPG in the regular season and 37PPG in the playoffs. That drive would mean nothing if it weren't for the D. He only had to lead the offense to 13 points. Why do you give the credit to the Giants D instead of Eli when Eli did the same thing, but better since he led them to a TD, and didn't have the help of the D scoring 7 for him. If you applied the same to Brady, it would be one thing, but you don't. You give Brady more credit when he had more help from the D and only put them in FG range?

16-27-145-1 for Brady
30-40-296-1 for Eli

If the Giants D gets more credit, then the Pats D should get even more credit.



My point is that Brady had the same opportunity when they were even closer (1st and 10 from the Pitt 36) and he couldn't score. He did nothing the whole half, so I don't feel he deserve credit for putting them on the Pitt 40 when it was Bledsoe who led them to a TD.



Super Bowl hangover, key injuries; whatever the reasons they were not great teams that year.




What happened to the "Playoff bound" argument? They faced 3 playoff bound teams in 02 and 3 playoff bound teams in 08. The AFC East faced fewer playoff bound teams in 02 than they did in 08.

I didn't say we didn't lose, we didn't have a consistent pattern of getting blown out in certain games. We lost 5 of 6, we had chances to win all but 1.

They played the 9-7 Jets not the 11-5 dolphins, they beat up the dolphins at home. They were awful coming east which is the point. That is not a win to crow over, Philly crushed them at home in the reg season then lost at Ari in the title game.

The D did hold Oak down but it was a blizzard that hurt both offenses. How does he not get creit for putting them in FG range to tie and win? Obivously AV gets huge credit as well- he made an incredible kick to tie it but Brady put him in position.

Did the Giants D blow a 14 pt 4th qtr lead? Did Eli lead a drive w/ just over a min left, NO timeouts inside their 20? I give Eli plenty of credit, I just don't give him all the credit like some on here do.

He did something, he set them up at the 40 w/ a 1st down. As we now know Brady has been excellent late in halves of games so I don't think he would have held them back had he not gotten hurt.

'02 NYJ, Mia and NE were MUCH better than '08 NYJ, Mia and NE.

We We played Ari who was awufl on the EC, 8-8 SD(who destroyed us) and Miami who was a decent team and nothing more. In 2002 we faced a Miami type team in Cleveland, the AFC Champs in Oakland and 12-3 GB playing for homefield in week 17.


Whether we agree or not(we rarely do) I appreciate you always coming after my arguments. People too often forget this stuff is fun.

 

[NYPhin24]

I give honest opinions, I apologize that your team hasn't been very good and you are sensitive to criticism of a mediocre team. When they win I'll tip my cap like I did in 2008.

I answered the question honestly- how am I jealous and what would I have to be jealous of?

So you spotted us an 0-7 start- does that mean it didn't count that we finished 2 games ahead of you? I don;t get that line of thinking and no you didn't elimate us, you eliminated any hope but even had we won we wouldn't have been a playoff team.

not sensitive just "debating" with you is like debating with a broken record, if your not jealous of the Dolphins "mediocre" team, why would anyone be jealous of the 8-8 mediocre Jets teams that you always claim Dolphins fans are jealous of

you say you tip your cap then every chance you get your reference the weak schedule in 08 and Brady being injured, i know you like to play both sides and try and manipulate wording

does it mean the Dolphins didnt eliminate the Jets this past season even though they wouldnt have made it thanks to another team winning later after the Dolphin game was over? because according to you that game didnt matter b/c the Jets were already out of it even though at the time the game was played they were still alive in the playoff race

no1 can win talking to you its talking to a brick wall

 

[Rev Kev]

Junc its getting old 7 years of the same **** - get some new material

 

[nyjunc]

not sensitive just "debating" with you is like debating with a broken record, if your not jealous of the Dolphins "mediocre" team, why would anyone be jealous of the 8-8 mediocre Jets teams that you always claim Dolphins fans are jealous of

you say you tip your cap then every chance you get your reference the weak schedule in 08 and Brady being injured, i know you like to play both sides and try and manipulate wording

does it mean the Dolphins didnt eliminate the Jets this past season even though they wouldnt have made it thanks to another team winning later after the Dolphin game was over? because according to you that game didnt matter b/c the Jets were already out of it even though at the time the game was played they were still alive in the playoff race

no1 can win talking to you its talking to a brick wall

You have finally figures me out, I am so damn jealous of finishing in 3rd place every year, I'm hopeful this is the year we can finally wrestle that spot away from you

I bring up the weak '089 sched when jealous phin fans attack the jets for getting a qtr and a half of backups against Indy. Both teams earnned their spots after getting big breaks.

Yes, the dolphins didn't eliminate us. You can cling to that notion if it makes you feel better but if we win we don't go to postseason.

You can't win w/ me b/c you bring weak arguments to the discussions.

 

[rvz1020]

Miami hasnt won a sb in his lifetime. What about the jets? Haha. At least we won 2 and made it 5x. Jets won one and it was 42 hrs ago. Hahaha. Miami has also had a much better history. In the 70's we were one of 4 powerhouseteams in NFL. In 80's we made it to 2 sb's and won division after division thru Marino years. And rrecently Miami is 4-2 last 6 games vs jets.

 

[sm0kinfins]

How does posting at a phins site say I am jealous of the phins? I enjoy posting here, I enjoy learning about one of our div rivals- what would I have to be jealous of w/ regards to the dolphins vs. Jets? History? Miami hasn't won a SB in my lifetime and we have the better recent history.

How many SB's have the Jests won in your lifetime?

 

[nyjunc]

How many SB's have the Jests won in your lifetime?

The same amount as the dolphins, why do you ask?

Miami hasnt won a sb in his lifetime. What about the jets? Haha. At least we won 2 and made it 5x. Jets won one and it was 42 hrs ago. Hahaha. Miami has also had a much better history. In the 70's we were one of 4 powerhouseteams in NFL. In 80's we made it to 2 sb's and won division after division thru Marino years. And rrecently Miami is 4-2 last 6 games vs jets.

The Jets won one and it was 43 years ago(from the '11 season), Miami won just one more and their titles were 38 and 39 years ago.

Recently Miami hasn't won a playoff game since 2000, the most recent SB MVP who has now completed 8 seasons in the NFL was a freshman in college. He also just turned 12 the last time Miami was in an AFC title game.

Does Miami have the better overall history? absolutely but in recent years it's not close, we aren't the team that is fighting w/ the Bills for 3rd place every year.

 

[SkapePhin]

The same amount as the dolphins, why do you ask?



The Jets won one and it was 43 years ago(from the '11 season), Miami won just one more and their titles were 38 and 39 years ago.

Recently Miami hasn't won a playoff game since 2000, the most recent SB MVP who has now completed 8 seasons in the NFL was a freshman in college. He also just turned 12 the last time Miami was in an AFC title game.

Does Miami have the better overall history? absolutely but in recent years it's not close, we aren't the team that is fighting w/ the Bills for 3rd place every year.

lol... The Jets were in that race last season too. The Jets were 2 worthless games better than both the Phins and Bills. Something to brag about?

Don't worry, the Jets will finish last in 2012.

 

[rvz1020]

The same amount as the dolphins, why do you ask?



The Jets won one and it was 43 years ago(from the '11 season), Miami won just one more and their titles were 38 and 39 years ago.

Recently Miami hasn't won a playoff game since 2000, the most recent SB MVP who has now completed 8 seasons in the NFL was a freshman in college. He also just turned 12 the last time Miami was in an AFC title game.

Does Miami have the better overall history? absolutely but in recent years it's not close, we aren't the team that is fighting w/ the Bills for 3rd place every year.

I thought you were talking about head to head. Isnt that more of a barometer whos the better team?

 

[NYPhin24]

I thought you were talking about head to head. Isnt that more of a barometer whos the better team?

its a lost cause you will never win with him, its the same thing every time, AFC title games, its literally included in 99% of his posts