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Greg Van Roten, RG from the Raiders...

vagrantprodigy said:
There may not be any signings until the cap space from Howard's post june 1 cut comes available.
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They can make a deal now and just push the cap hit into next year. By not using that money on this years cap you’re just increasing next years roll over credit by whatever amount your pushing off. So at the end of the day it would be a wash and you can make a deal whenever you want.
 
There are several jag-type Guards who are still available in free agency.

Are any of them really better than what we have?

I'm not entirely sure that they are. Older guards (and they ARE older) are much less likely to function well in a zone blocking system. Just because a guy has spent 8-10 years in the league does not mean that he is suited for our system.
 
Feverdream said:
There are several jag-type Guards who are still available in free agency.

Are any of them really better than what we have?

I'm not entirely sure that they are. Older guards (and they ARE older) are much less likely to function well in a zone blocking system. Just because a guy has spent 8-10 years in the league does not mean that he is suited for our system.
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Van Roten is interesting because he’s a late bloomer. For being 34, he has very little playing time and experience. Kind of one year wonder last season with Raiders after some ups and downs with a horrible Jets squad. I doubt he gets much more than $3M-$3.5M for 2024.
 
The Ghost said:
Van Roten is interesting because he’s a late bloomer. For being 34, he has very little playing time and experience. Kind of one year wonder last season with Raiders. I doubt he gets much more than $3M-$3.5M for 2024.
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Risner only got 4m last year, and the Vikings were in no hurry to retain him at that salary.
I also think he's a poor fit for a zone system btw.

I'm certainly not adverse to signing a Risner or a Van Roten If.... IF there is little or no guaranteed money. That way, if they don't win the job in camp, we can waive them goodbye.
 
Feverdream said:
Risner only got 4m last year, and the Vikings were in no hurry to retain him at that salary.
I also think he's a poor fit for a zone system btw.

I'm certainly not adverse to signing a Risner or a Van Roten If.... IF there is little or no guaranteed money. That way, if they don't win the job in camp, we can waive them goodbye.
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At first glance, every guard we have except Wynn looks like a poor fit for the wide zone though. Cotton and Jones do not move better than Risner or Van Roten. Eich? Driscoll? Maybe a little with the latter. IMO, trying to determine what they want as OGs in this offense is a study in futility. Chasen Hines looks like a phonebooth mauler too. They also brought in Phil Haynes for a visit early, and he does not appear to fit the archetype either. He could be who they sign if early interest means anything. If they sign anyone at all.
 
Marino2.0 said:
How do you even know? He’s played 146 snaps at right guard in his life, and according to PFF, he graded out as an excellent pass blocker and good run blocker for those 146 snaps.

It’s quite possible—likely, even—that he will perform very well at RG given a stable offseason to prepare for it.
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What, using facts instead of opinion?
How dare you.
Snark-Casim, in case you didn't recognize it. - LOL
 
The Ghost said:
You’re subscribing to the hope theory I see.
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No, I simply RECOGNIZE that there are very few players that are "walk on" the field ready to play NFL level football coming into the NFL.

Now my hope theory is that all the whiners and "Lemmings" will start to leave this board once the Dolphins are dominating our division.

The question is, are you going to be one of them? - LOL
 
Ray R said:
No, I simply RECOGNIZE that there are very few players that are "walk on" the field ready to play NFL level football coming into the NFL.

Now my hope theory is that all the whiners and "Lemmings" will start to leave this board once the Dolphins are dominating our division.

The question is, are you going to be one of them? - LOL
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Why would I leave?
 
Ray R said:
No, I simply RECOGNIZE that there are very few players that are "walk on" the field ready to play NFL level football coming into the NFL.

Now my hope theory is that all the whiners and "Lemmings" will start to leave this board once the Dolphins are dominating our division.

The question is, are you going to be one of them? - LOL
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The irony of "I hope all these people disagreeing with the decisions of our FO will leave" NOT being the lemming position in your mind is W I L D

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means
 
Feverdream said:
Risner only got 4m last year, and the Vikings were in no hurry to retain him at that salary.
I also think he's a poor fit for a zone system btw.

I'm certainly not adverse to signing a Risner or a Van Roten If.... IF there is little or no guaranteed money. That way, if they don't win the job in camp, we can waive them goodbye.
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What do you think of the idea of moving Hayes to Guard? His chances of making it there? He might be to tall for the position, not good leverage.
 
HeelsNPhinsFan said:
The irony of "I hope all these people disagreeing with the decisions of our FO will leave" NOT being the lemming position in your mind is W I L D

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means
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I know exactly what a real lemming is. I had brought that up to show they are not animals that commit mass ritual homicide, an idea shown in an old Disney movie.

I even included copies of the videos made of the back-stage operation of the filming of the "lemmings jumping off cliffs" showing a prop man dumping a large can (2 ' high and over 1' in diameter) of live lemmings over a pile of rocks that went down to a small pool of water where the movie cameras recorded their "falls".

I did this all to show the whiners trying to relate the suicidal tendencies of lemmings to the performance of the Dolphins. I said the whiners were idiots for thinking that lemmings were suicidal. They ignored it, so I decided to "tie that false "Lemming" " around their necks until they noticed that bogus facts were crap.

It seems the name has stuck, and those whiney "Lemmings" never noticed what was "tied around their necks".

I've been using that term for years now and you are only the second person who has questioned that.

Could it because you are one of the first "Lemmings" to recognize the error of your ways? - LOL
 
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