Henne Moore & Delvin for QB? We're Not Gonna "Settle" With That...Are We?

[MisiDressing]

I would hate life if I was Patriot fan, with Bellicheat and his bums. Ocho and Haynesworth will be a cancer on the team. You will definitely be hating Sunday watching them on the sidelines comparing paychecks.

Didn't they say the same things when the Pats signed Cory Dillon and Randy Moss.

Seems like the Pats worry first about signing talent - and then they make the personalities fit. Looks like they also weren't worried about Ryan Mallett's off-field issues when his slip in the draft presented excellent value.

I think we need to worry about our own team. You're talking cancer? Just wait until Brandon Marshall is a few weeks in from catching the dreck that Matt Moore and Chad Henne toss to him. Can you say DIVA MELTDOWN?

 

[MisiDressing]

Henne doesn't have room for error....so what happens when he does make that error? We throw in the superstar waiting in the wings, Matt Moore?

LMAO OMG

Andrew Luck (or at least Barkley or Landry Jones) here we come. Sadly, our defense may be too good to fall that far - mostly b/c of Cam Cameron and Randy Mueller's pick Paul Soliai. Soliai is really keeping our 3-4 glued together - and by all reports, he came into camp looking good.

Our defense will keep us close in all games. And we'll even win a few. But we should easily be able to pull off 5-11, maybe even 4-12 if we're "lucky".

 

[GRYPHONK]

Atlanta has lost to the superbowl champions, and the superbowl runner ups in the playoffs... it's not as if they're only scoring 3 points at home in blowouts to wildcard teams. What's Matt Ryan's record vs. Bill Parcells/Jeff Ireland/Tony Sparano/Jake Long/and Chad Henne?

Aaron Rodgers has been in the league 7 years and just won his first playoff game last year. Steve Young and Phil Simms were both in the league 8 years.... Peyton Manning and Drew Brees 6 years... Eli Manning, Troy Aikman, and Phillip Rivers were all in the league 4 years before they won their first playoff game.

Matt Ryan is entering his 4th season...




Since when does post season success dictate what a quarterback is worth around here anyway? Mark Sanchez has more post season success during his first few seasons in the NFL than any quarterback in history other than perhaps Ben Roethlisberger... How do you folks feel about Mark Sanchez?

All that post season success for Matt Ryan.... it's coming. Matt Ryan is going to be in this league for a long time winning football games and competing for championships....

...can't quite say the same thing about the guys that passed him up for Jake Long can you?


You homers can't even be consistent with your arguements out of desperation to defend this regime, you keep contradicting yourselves....that's what looks foolish.

Quick go find where I contradicted myself. Quick now, please hurry.

Peyton Manning has had the luxury of what? Wait for it..... Jeff Saturday and a line that gave him year in and year out one of the best protections in the league. If I am wrong I would love to know. Where did Indy rank in time QB had to throw the ball. I know they have that stat

Tom Brady had the luxury of what????? Oh that's right his 1st SB was won by the defense and ST'S. Wow that Franchise QB sure did it's thing huh? Guess what? Strong, some of the best in the league defenses were also something he inherited during his SB'S. Guess what happened when this Franchise QB got to the big dance with his weakest defense??? Oh I am sowwy, he lost in the big game. Oh yeah, speaking of O-lines. Why don't you go see how much luxury and time Brady had behind those lines.

Brees and Rodgers? Brees is the only legit Franchise QB you can make the case for. But i wonder what was his defense ranked that year? Rodgers? Where did his defense and rushing game rank again? Just wondering/

When you guys actually and finally realize that a Franchise QB doesn't solely win you a SB then maybe you would have some relevance to these type of conversations.

Manning does not win a SB without the line giving him the protection he needed. Unless, of course, I am wrong and he hasn't been one the top 5 QB'S in the league with respect to how long they had to get rid of the ball.
Brady? Please... ST'S defense arguably the best line in Football.....

So again, where did I contradict myself and look foolish? I of course never laughed at the selection of Jake Long and imply we should have taken the Franchise QB who has a more complete team around him and has only had 1 more playoff game experience. Absolutely not. That my friend is foolish.

Now, where your argument would actually have any validity is if you would have chosen the season we picked Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers.

Which one of those QB'S that you mentioned winning SB'S doesn't have a great pass blocking O-line? Rodgers? Now, again what did his defense and rushing game rank?

Franchise QB'S don't win SB'S without a supporting cast. SOme people need to remember that. I thought of all fans Miami fans would understand this after what Marino went through

 

[BGtoKNfor6]

Quick go find where I contradicted myself. Quick now, please hurry.

Peyton Manning has had the luxury of what? Wait for it..... Jeff Saturday and a line that gave him year in and year out one of the best protections in the league. If I am wrong I would love to know. Where did Indy rank in time QB had to throw the ball. I know they have that stat

Tom Brady had the luxury of what????? Oh that's right his 1st SB was won by the defense and ST'S. Wow that Franchise QB sure did it's thing huh? Guess what? Strong, some of the best in the league defenses were also something he inherited during his SB'S. Guess what happened when this Franchise QB got to the big dance with his weakest defense??? Oh I am sowwy, he lost in the big game. Oh yeah, speaking of O-lines. Why don't you go see how much luxury and time Brady had behind those lines.

Brees and Rodgers? Brees is the only legit Franchise QB you can make the case for. But i wonder what was his defense ranked that year? Rodgers? Where did his defense and rushing game rank again? Just wondering/

When you guys actually and finally realize that a Franchise QB doesn't solely win you a SB then maybe you would have some relevance to these type of conversations.

Manning does not win a SB without the line giving him the protection he needed. Unless, of course, I am wrong and he hasn't been one the top 5 QB'S in the league with respect to how long they had to get rid of the ball.
Brady? Please... ST'S defense arguably the best line in Football.....

So again, where did I contradict myself and look foolish? I of course never laughed at the selection of Jake Long and imply we should have taken the Franchise QB who has a more complete team around him and has only had 1 more playoff game experience. Absolutely not. That my friend is foolish.

Now, where your argument would actually have any validity is if you would have chosen the season we picked Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers.

Which one of those QB'S that you mentioned winning SB'S doesn't have a great pass blocking O-line? Rodgers? Now, again what did his defense and rushing game rank?

Franchise QB'S don't win SB'S without a supporting cast. SOme people need to remember that. I thought of all fans Miami fans would understand this after what Marino went through

But it is MUCH more sexy to lose with a franchise QB. Did losing with Marino make the zero titles any easier? How about we ask fans of the Chargers (Fouts), Bills (Kelly) and Houston (Moon)?

It is a team game and when you have a front office that doesn't know the difference between a blue chip prospect and a bag of doritos, then your whole argument for implementing a tried and true system and drafting players that fit within that system goes right out the window. THE PROBLEM IN MIAMI HAS NOT BEEN THE LACK OF A QB AS A SOLE CAUSE BUT RATHER CONSISTENTLY BAD FRONT OFFICES WHO DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO LEARN ANYTHING FROM THE TOP FRANCHISES IN THE NFL. Had Miami drafted Ryan or even Rodgers, they would have dropped the ball elsewhere on the team. You can bank on that. We did it with Marino and continue to do it today.

The argument for the guys that keep bringing up draft failures from YEARS ago is that it is much easier to build around a franchise qb. Well, no s*it. That isn't rocket science BUT only for franchises that have a F.O. that recognizes that. It's like you think that once a qb is in place all of the other pieces just fall into place like some kind of magic. Well when you have a once in a life time qb like Manning or Brady, it's much easier to hide your offensive weaknesses and you can get away with average guys in places. But like the guys I mentioned above who are better pure passers and leaders than 99% of qb's after them, why didn't it fall into place for them if its that easy?

 

[Bumpus]

How can you cheer and watch the Dolphins? I don't get it. You really have to enjoy hating life to watch the Dolphins.

Kinda like the pre-Brady Pats, huh?

 

[GRYPHONK]

But it is MUCH more sexy to lose with a franchise QB. Did losing with Marino make the zero titles any easier? How about we ask fans of the Chargers (Fouts), Bills (Kelly) and Houston (Moon)?

It is a team game and when you have a front office that doesn't know the difference between a blue chip prospect and a bag of doritos, then your whole argument for implementing a tried and true system and drafting players that fit within that system goes right out the window. THE PROBLEM IN MIAMI HAS NOT BEEN THE LACK OF A QB AS A SOLE CAUSE BUT RATHER CONSISTENTLY BAD FRONT OFFICES WHO DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO LEARN ANYTHING FROM THE TOP FRANCHISES IN THE NFL. Had Miami drafted Ryan or even Rodgers, they would have dropped the ball elsewhere on the team. You can bank on that. We did it with Marino and continue to do it today.

The argument for the guys that keep bringing up draft failures from YEARS ago is that it is much easier to build around a franchise qb. Well, no s*it. That isn't rocket science BUT only for franchises that have a F.O. that recognizes that. It's like you think that once a qb is in place all of the other pieces just fall into place like some kind of magic. Well when you have a once in a life time qb like Manning or Brady, it's much easier to hide your offensive weaknesses and you can get away with average guys in places. But like the guys I mentioned above who are better pure passers and leaders than 99% of qb's after them, why didn't it fall into place for them if its that easy?

Right. it's not that easy!!

Like I said, we are not talking about Manning or Brady. If we were talking about Aaron Rodgers I could understand if we took Long over him. These guys are bringing up Matt Ryan. The guy who maybe 5 people on this board said to draft. He has turned out to be a solid QB for sure. Franchise? Hardly

Next season. If we were to take Long over Luck I once again would understand.

But not for Ryan.

I wonder how happy they would have been if we ended up drafting Brady Quinn who many more on this board clamoured for. He was a better prospect. by many, coming out over Ryan.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Right. it's not that easy!!

Like I said, we are not talking about Manning or Brady. If we were talking about Aaron Rodgers I could understand if we took Long over him. These guys are bringing up Matt Ryan. The guy who maybe 5 people on this board said to draft. He has turned out to be a solid QB for sure. Franchise? Hardly

Next season. If we were to take Long over Luck I once again would understand.

But not for Ryan.

I wonder how happy they would have been if we ended up drafting Brady Quinn who many more on this board clamoured for. He was a better prospect. by many, coming out over Ryan.

You have lost your mind my friend...


Brady Quinn was never a legitimate franchise quarterback prospect... he padded his stats against the Service Academies. He was too bulky, stiff, and robotic due to his upper body being over developed, and lacked accuracy. I tried to tell everyone that Miami needed to stay away from Brady Quinn... In other words, I was in the 5%.

I told 'em that Miami needed to draft Patrick Willis instead because he'd beat out Crowder and/or old, slow, concussed Zach Thomas "with one arm tied behind his back".. my exact words.


Matt Ryan is absolutely a franchise quarterback... which is why Atlanta chose to build around him. Ozzie Newsome knew it too.... which is why he tried to trade up for Matt Ryan and select him #2 overall ahead of Atlanta when Miami passed on him for Jake Long...

The reality is, even Andrew Luck has a 25% chance of ever becoming as good of an NFL quarterback as Matt Ryan is. As "safe" of a QB prospect as Luck is considered to be by the talking heads, he's no safer than Matt Ryan was. Luck has more talent around him than Matt Ryan EVER had at BC... Ryan also faced much better defenses on a regular basis than Andrew Luck has.

Again, you don't build around a left tackle when you have the #1 pick in the draft and you need a quarterback.... I knew Matt Ryan was going to succeed. I knew it. I knew he would.

What you people don't realize is that a franchise caliber quarterback, a quarterback like Matt Ryan... can affect the game WITHOUT even being on the field. Quarterbacks like Matt Ryan can affect the opposing head coaches decision while he's standing on the sidelines, and force errors in judgment. You need to look no further than Sean Payton going for it on 4th down with a lead in order to keep the ball away from Matt Ryan... because he knew Matt Ryan would drive the ball down the field for the winning score if he punted...

...the same way a quarterback like Peyton Manning forced Bill Belicheck to make an error in judgement and go for it on 4th and 1 because he's so afraid of him... Think you'll see any coaches going for it because they don't want to see Jake Long on the field? Maybe Sparano....he'll kick a field goal to keep Jake off the field, but that's about it....



As for your original post, you're way off on Green Bay's offensive line. In fact, it was the weak link on the team. Did you even watch the Green Bay/Atlanta playoff game?

The Falcons defense had a dozen clean shots at Rodgers in the backfield for sacks... the pressure was getting through. So much so, that they had John Abraham lined up at nose tackle in several instances instead of rushing him off the edge. However, Rodgers made the plays HIMSELF... not his offensive line. He's the one that left defenders grasping at air...

Eli Manning won the superbowl with a 5th round pick playing left tackle... defense is an entirely different issue than offensive line.

Miami and Cleveland are in the same boat... they have the most irrelevant pro bowl left tackles in the history of the NFL... good luck with that.

 

[Sirspud]

A good QB has a way of making an offensive line look better (though that doesn't happen all the time).

 

[BGtoKNfor6]

A great qb has a way of making a lot of offensive stuff "easier". However, I could rattle off a plethora of good to great qb's that never sniffed a superbowl win. It isn't just as easy as drafting a franchise qb and all will be well. There is plenty of luck and planning necessary to bring a franchise out of the doldrums.

 

[Shady27]

A great qb has a way of making a lot of offensive stuff "easier". However, I could rattle off a plethora of good to great qb's that never sniffed a superbowl win. It isn't just as easy as drafting a franchise qb and all will be well. There is plenty of luck and planning necessary to bring a franchise out of the doldrums.

Right. But with the team we got in place right now, with the Top 10 maybe 5 Defense, a really good WR core, an elite O-Line, & a good backfield (yeah, it is good, Reggie D-Thomas & the unknown vet at the moment will make a 3-headed monster in that backfield). With everything being in damn good shape on this team, our biggest concern is QB. I hope Henne steps up & has an unbelievable year, but either way, we are not rebuilding, not young, etc. We are ready to pounce now, & a franchise QB is all we need to do that, be it Henne or whoever. This is a solid team all around, but the QB leaves the biggest question mark at the biggest impact position.

So it's lookin like Henne's gonna go. So love him or hate him, get behind him & let's hope he does have what it takes. NE & NYJ aren't as good as ppl think they're gonna be, we can easily be right in the mix with them, if not better. If your a fan who's been following all along, you will agree with that.

Either way, let's stand with our boys & see what happens, a better shot at a successful season is def more likely than a failed one. GO PHINS!!!