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Here is drive Chart in 2nd half on Sunday....You decide for yourself

If teams are gonna play us like Carolina did we have to make em pay with checks to pa verticals to Wallace...you give Wallace a free release and let him eat up off coverage single db cushion you got to make em pay...

If the jets show us those looks tannehill will check out...the thing is though I have seen our run game stopped a plenty with deep safeties and 7 man fronts...and that inability to run even when tannehill reads the box properly is a direct indictment of this oline
 
shouright said:
Except, the Dolphins have a running game, as evidenced by the fact that its yards per carry is at the league average.

What the Dolphins don't have, by contrast, is a commitment to the running game, as evidenced by its percentage of total plays accounted for by the running game that places it 3rd-worst in the league, at the 8th percentile.
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the MIA "stretch play" is not a run game please do not entertain it
 
hooshoops said:
Oh ok so going 3 and out over and over by running the ball repeatedly into that front Is a good recipe to win...being that running attempts are more correlated with winning than rushing success...

That sounds ass backwards to me...you have to have success to control the time of possession and chew up clock...

How many 2nd and 10s or 12 does anyone think this team can overcome???
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Going three and out by running the ball over and over is not the equivalent of offensive balance.
 
Offensive balance sure...if you can run the ball and get into manageable downs and distances...but repeated 2 yard to 4 yard losses and getting behind is not a recipe for success...and against Carolina when we ran the ball they ate it up again with 8 man fronts...

Basically Carolina said you will not beat us running the ball we are gonna try and get you in long downs and distances and off tape study get after your pass protection...cause we don't think you can beat us if we make you one dimensional...

Again if we get those same looks you are gonna see more vertical shot attempts but most teams have been sniffing out our run without ever having to even commit the safety to the box...I was shocked when I saw Carolina playing Wallace so singled up on first down...alarms must go off on first down if we get those looks the next 5 games...
 
hooshoops said:
Offensive balance sure...if you can run the ball and get into manageable downs and distances...but repeated 2 yard to 4 yard losses and getting behind is not a recipe for success...and against Carolina when we ran the ball they ate it up again with 8 man fronts...

Basically Carolina said you will not beat us running the ball we are gonna try and get you in long downs and distances and off tape study get after your pass protection...cause we don't think you can beat us if we make you one dimensional...

Again if we get those same looks you are gonna see more vertical shot attempts but most teams have been sniffing out our run without ever having to even commit the safety to the box...I was shocked when I saw Carolina playing Wallace so singled up on first down...alarms must go off on first down if we get those looks the next 5 games...
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I think the misconception here is that you can attack an eight-man front with an imbalance in favor of the passing game with a quarterback who isn't typically efficient.

Unless and until you have a quarterback who can efficiently move you down the field with an imbalance in favor of the passing game in response to an eight-man front, you have to continue to run the ball into it to achieve the balance that's associated with winning, because the quarterback isn't going to compensate for that imbalance with the kind of YPA that can overcome a bad rushing attempts differential with the other team.

In other words, the other team is "baiting" us into making us beat it with Ryan Tannehill, and at least at this point in Ryan Tannehill's development (if not beyond), we shouldn't be "taking the bait." We should balance the offense nonetheless, because Ryan Tannehill doesn't yet typically have the ability to beat teams when the offense is placed on his shoulders.
 
The bottom line is Sherman is getting owned by defensive coordinators, they can dictate how much we run and if we can't destroy them with the passing game alone we'll lose, which is exactly whats been happening. If Philbin is ordering Sherman to never run against 8 man fronts then he's a fool and he can go with the rest of the front office and coaching staff in January.
 
roy_miami said:
The bottom line is Sherman is getting owned by defensive coordinators, they can dictate how much we run and if we can't destroy them with the passing game alone we'll lose, which is exactly whats been happening. If Philbin is ordering Sherman to never run against 8 man fronts then he's a fool and he can go with the rest of the front office and coaching staff in January.
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He's getting owned by oline personnel misfits and lack of imagination with his formations and use of his skill position personnel...that said we did still throw for 300 yards...not many teams can do that vs that d...kaepernick 2 weeks prior threw for like 75 yards when Carolina shut down their run too...and their oline is miles more physical and better scheme fit than ours for what they do
 
Strangeworld said:
I see a bunch of passes < 5 yards.... Authored by our "franchise" QB
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17 of his completions were 5> yards

(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short middle to B.Hartline to MIA 25 for 7 yards (C.Munnerlyn).
R.Tannehill pass deep left to B.Hartline to MIA 44 for 21 yards (M.White).
R.Tannehill pass deep right to M.Wallace for 53 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill right guard to CAR 44 for 5 yards (L.Kuechly).
R.Tannehill pass deep right to M.Wallace to CAR 22 for 57 yards (C.Munnerlyn).
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to C.Clay to MIA 16 for 10 yards (C.Munnerlyn).
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short left to L.Miller to MIA 34 for 18 yards (G.Hardy).
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to Ma.Moore to MIA 44 for 9 yards (T.Davis).
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass deep middle to B.Hartline to CAR 36 for 21 yards (L.Kuechly).
R.Tannehill pass short right to M.Egnew to CAR 29 for 5 yards (A.Klein)
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to D.Sims to MIA 32 for 6 yards (L.Kuechly).
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short right to Ma.Moore to MIA 34 for 11 yards (Q.Mikell; D.Florence).
R.Tannehill pass short right to L.Miller to CAR 43 for 7 yards (C.Cole)
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short middle to L.Miller to CAR 38 for 5 yards (T.Davis)
R.Tannehill pass short right to M.Wallace pushed ob at MIA 37 for 10 yards (D.Florence).
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass short middle to L.Miller to MIA 46 for 9 yards (L.Kuechly) [G.Hardy].
(Shotgun) R.Tannehill pass deep middle to B.Hartline to MIA 40 for 26 yards (T.Davis).
 
Dcs can watch our tape see our weaknesses in pass pro and more importantly see our weaknesses personnel wise on the oline...I meAn gosh guys both your tackles are 10 foot box guys who can't get out to anything wide in the run or screen game your current center is not a move athlete or get to the 2nd level guy and not a pull player your current left guard is undersized and doesn't move anyone off the ball good athlete but lacks strength your right guard struggles to get to things in space and laterally off the snap...none of em can overcome poor angles

Just about all these guys struggle laterally...McKinnie was an improvement with the power and walking guys back into your qb pass rush but laterally he's not the same guy he was and he can't move...you run wide stretch the opposition laughs at you as they walk it down from the inside like a stampede...they can line up the lbs more inside and take away the inside running game with numvbere and lbs that read your oline cause they have instincts...

The best thing Miami can do is go full no huddle like now dammit...you cannot overcome personnel deficiencies on offense and score massive points by lining up against the guys man a Mano and making plays...won't happen...

So grow some balls Sherman and go full no huddle and try and wear out these fronts and attack them with tempo and change of pace and not let them get the personnel they want for specific scenarios on the field...
 
People have been complaining all year that Sherman doesn't run the ball, now he is getting blasted for running the ball...I don't get people on this board. Oh, and thanks for letting us know the offensive line is bad...we are missing 3 starters.
 
The D caves late probably because our O keeps going 3-out or 6-out at best in crunchtime.

But we either bleed slow or have catastrophic turnovers by the O. The offense has lost 5 of our 6 losses this year. Our scoring average is that of a 10-loss team.

We get 1st-half leads because of scheming, but that advantage gets erased at halftime and our O-line deficiency gets exposed in the second half every game, because we can't run and the opposing ad starts dismantling our protection. Ireland is the one that ultimately loses these games.
 
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