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Here is what i don't understand about Miami's QB drafting strategy over the years...

AphexPhin said:
I'm currently watching the COlts/Eagles game and man, we really should have sucked for Luck. Luck is just unreal and so clutch. oh well
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Agreed.....but we didn't even need to Suck for Luck (although we sucked anyway). The Fins could have traded the farm to the Colts to move up to #1 pick.....some say the Colts wouldn't have made the trade but that's BS....they would have and then would have taken RG3 after we chose Luck.

And in case anyone forgot our draft class that year:

1st Round – Ryan Tannehill (QB, Texas A&M)
2nd Round – Jonathan Martin (OT, Stanford)
3rd Round – Olivier Vernon (DE, Miami)
3rd Round – Michael Egnew (TE, Missouri)
4th Round – Lamar Miller (RB, Miami)
5th Round – Josh Kaddu (OLB, Oregon)
6th Round – B.J. Cunningham (WR, Michigan State)
7th Round – Kheeston Randall (DL, Texas)
7th Round – Rishard Matthews (WR, Nevada)

Now I defy anyone to say they wouldn't trade that almost total pile of trash (exempting Vernon from the "trash" comment) for just Andrew Luck.
 
The Colts all but threw the season for Luck. No way they don't pick him even if we offered up the entire draft. As bad as we have drafted giving up the last 5 years would not be enough for a true franchise QB.

Anyway, I agree 100% with the OP. You draft a QB every year until a guy claims the franchise QB role. Unless RT pulls a 180, we need to draft another one early....and even if he finishes strong we should be looking for another one as a cheaper alternative to Moore.
 
KillerB said:
It doesn't have to be multiple QBs in the same draft, but we do need an increased frequency of QB selections. The more lines you throw in the water, the more likely you are to catch a fish.
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We actually did this at the very outset of the franchise, long before Shula arrived. He didn't have to worry about a starting quarterback because the dirtywork and exploration was undertaken in the early expansion years. I was a very young kid but I remember most of it. Rick Norton was an early first round pick but instead of wasting several seasons with him we turned around and took Bob Griese once Norton didn't flash as a rookie. Those were hardly the only two guys in the mix. George Wilson Jr. was the coach's son and a hard trying kid without much ability. There was an older immobile guy named Dick Wood. Also a very interesting prospect named John Stofa. Lots of Dolphin fans liked Stofa, who had moxie. The primary camps were Griese and Stofa. Nobody retained much faith in Norton.

Until 1968 I didn't know everything that was going on. I mostly listened in '66 and '67. My dad wanted to keep Griese and Stofa. But Stofa had some trade value and we got rid of him to the Bengals. Later he returned but didn't seem to be the same guy. I remember being kind of sad. It didn't seem fair that Griese was becoming a star while Stofa was faltering and phased out.

In those expansion years we didn't have season tickets but my dad took us to a few games per season. I was annoyed when Norton played quarterback when we were at the Orange Bowl. It seemed so hopeless.

Nowadays everything is so sophisticated we find our wide receiver and commit to him. No hurt feelings available.
 
It should also be pointed out that we drafted Joe Theisman also before we traded him and got some very good picks from that trade!
 
KillerB said:
Why do we only draft ONE quarterback and then evaluate him for 3 years, and then rinse and repeat? Would it kill us to draft multiple QBs? Hell, Washington sold the farm to move up and grab RG3, and in that same draft they still took Kirk Cousins. Even way back when Aikman was drafted, Walsh was also scooped up in the same draft. It doesn't have to be multiple QBs in the same draft, but we do need an increased frequency of QB selections. The more lines you throw in the water, the more likely you are to catch a fish.

I really think we should have grabbed a QB in this last draft. There were a bunch of QBs with decent potential. Why not grab one? Cuz it might hurt Tannehill's feelings? And what about with our other failure QBs? We might've hurt Henne's feelings when he was around? Or Fielder's feelings when he was here stinkin it up?

I'm not saying it has to always be in the 1st round. For the sake of competition, motivation, and possibly finding the next big thing at QB in Miami, we need to start drafting more QBs. The never-ending QB frustration has got to come to an end already. This is sickening.

I haven't totally given up on Tannehill yet, but I am getting pretty damn close. It sure would've been nice to have some young QB on the bench that we were developing while evaluating tannehill, just in case Tannehill doesn't work out.

New England has Tom Brady and they are still drafting QBs. Why can't we???
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Why draft a QB when Matt Moore apparently can come in, mesh with Wallace instantly, and lead the Dolphins to the playoffs?
 
This really is true OP, especially with the new rookie contract rules. You can afford to pick a high QB every couple of years, whereas you couldn't before this new CBA.
 
KillerB said:
Why do we only draft ONE quarterback and then evaluate him for 3 years, and then rinse and repeat? Would it kill us to draft multiple QBs? Hell, Washington sold the farm to move up and grab RG3, and in that same draft they still took Kirk Cousins. Even way back when Aikman was drafted, Walsh was also scooped up in the same draft. It doesn't have to be multiple QBs in the same draft, but we do need an increased frequency of QB selections. The more lines you throw in the water, the more likely you are to catch a fish.

I really think we should have grabbed a QB in this last draft. There were a bunch of QBs with decent potential. Why not grab one? Cuz it might hurt Tannehill's feelings? And what about with our other failure QBs? We might've hurt Henne's feelings when he was around? Or Fielder's feelings when he was here stinkin it up?

I'm not saying it has to always be in the 1st round. For the sake of competition, motivation, and possibly finding the next big thing at QB in Miami, we need to start drafting more QBs. The never-ending QB frustration has got to come to an end already. This is sickening.

I haven't totally given up on Tannehill yet, but I am getting pretty damn close. It sure would've been nice to have some young QB on the bench that we were developing while evaluating tannehill, just in case Tannehill doesn't work out.

New England has Tom Brady and they are still drafting QBs. Why can't we???
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Totally agree...but I was the guy who wanted Brees(who this fan base would have given up on too quick)...Rogers...Ryan..Kaepernick..and Tannehill.

I believe you keep drafting qb's until you find one...and keep looking for sleepers even after you find one.
 
SpurzN703 said:
Why draft a QB when Matt Moore apparently can come in, mesh with Wallace instantly, and lead the Dolphins to the playoffs?
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I think Matt Moore has been thoroughly evaluated at this point and it has been determined that he will never be "the guy." He is a solid back-up, great team mate, and an overall good human being from all I've heard, but he is not the answer to Miami's never-ending QB woes.
 
Dr. Phin said:
What we should be doing is drafting a QB every 2 years...groom them for a couple and if they are good enough to take over, then they start. If not, you trade them to some moron team that "thinks the grass is greener" with our BU...a la Matt Flynn...and move to grooming the new guy...
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Yeah, this is basically what I would like to see happen. Draft a QB every couple of years, evaluate them, make a decision as to if they are a legit QB, and unload them another team for whatever we can get, similar to what the Patriots did with Ryan Mallet. We have to churn through these QBs at a faster rate. Our current strategy for finding a good QB is not working. The timetable is waaaaaay too slow.
 
Agreed OP
QB was on my wishlist last year for like a 5th/6th rd prospect. Everyone else we tend to bring in, aside Moore, is out the door eventually.

Tannehill needs competition, it will make him better and force his play to get on another level. It would also let the coaches experiment with who fits the schemes better.
Moore can be good at times, but he's probably well-aware of his role by now. I don't think the competition is real between him and Tannehill, he's just doing his part until his name is eventually called.
We need someone younger who shows a great deal of promise, like Tanne did years ago.
 
KillerB said:
Yeah, this is basically what I would like to see happen. Draft a QB every couple of years, evaluate them, make a decision as to if they are a legit QB, and unload them another team for whatever we can get, similar to what the Patriots did with Ryan Mallet. We have to churn through these QBs at a faster rate. Our current strategy for finding a good QB is not working. The timetable is waaaaaay too slow.
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Kinda funny to think that we could write the book on Matt Moore after less games than Tannehill when he performed better in them.
 
KillerB said:
I think Matt Moore has been thoroughly evaluated at this point and it has been determined that he will never be "the guy." He is a solid back-up, great team mate, and an overall good human being from all I've heard, but he is not the answer to Miami's never-ending QB woes.
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Pish posh. I've heard on FH that Matt Moore is practically Joe Montana 2.0.
 
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