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here's something for all the people complaining about his deep ball

This was an excellent article by CK.

I still want him to eat some Olivier Vernon crow though. It's hot, and it's ready.
 
I feel like I have just read a beautiful piece of work. So detailed and an amazing article as well.
 
It's a well written piece. But there's still the eye test. And that test today saw Tannehill leave plays all over the field. Including an under throw to an open Hartline deep.


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Not sure why this thread is directed at "people complaining about his deep ball" when CK also complains about his deep ball.

:confused:

Didn't he say there's a lack of chemistry with Mike Wallace?
Didn't he say that PFF said that Tanny dead is average in passes of 20 plus yards?
Didn't he say that on those deep ball completions, the yards are also average?
Didn't he say in his conclusion, that "Ryan Tannehill does NOT have the most accurate deep ball in the league?"
Didn't he say in his conclusion, that "His deep ball accuracy is mediocre?"

What did I miss?

What he's trying to do is explain away the lack of chemistry with Wallace, by examining play choices, plays where wallace was held or tanny was pressured, and even blame Wallace himself for being too fast:

"Wallace's speed can work against a quarterback due to the functional constraints of his arm, if the play is not timed correctly."

Well, Ben didn't have any problem with Wallace's speed. There's nothing wrong with Mike Wallace, and there wasn't anything wrong with Brandon Marshall, either. Both are good receivers. Would I rather than someone other than Wallace on our team? Yes, I don't think he's a good fit with Tanny and Wallace doesn't fight for the ball or run great routes. But at the same time it's a gift to have his big play ability and he is a threat.

With time, the chemistry between Tanny and Wallace will improve.

But Tannehill, so far, in college and in the nfl, has struggled with his deep ball, in general, and that will likely continue for a while, regardless what any of us think.
 
Nawledge said:
you guys can learn a little bit about football from ck...someone who watches real film and knows what he's talking about.
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It's a shame that you feel you have the right to belittle someone else's football knowledge and ability to watch a football game.

CK has been wrong on many occasions. He is just as human as anybody else. I appreciate some of the effort he puts into "breaking down" the things he sees but he also skews things to his gut a little to often and has difficulty admitting when he is wrong.
 
HoneyB said:
Not sure why this thread is directed at "people complaining about his deep ball" when CK also complains about his deep ball.

:confused:

Didn't he say there's a lack of chemistry with Mike Wallace?
Didn't he say that PFF said that Tanny dead is average in passes of 20 plus yards?
Didn't he say that on those deep ball completions, the yards are also average?
Didn't he say in his conclusion, that "Ryan Tannehill does NOT have the most accurate deep ball in the league?"
Didn't he say in his conclusion, that "His deep ball accuracy is mediocre?"

What did I miss?
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Quite a bit actually.

He pointed out that his deep ball is at an acceptable rate and is right in the middle of the 31 QBs. He also pointed out that his issues seem to be with Wallace only because with deep balls going to someone not named Wallace would elevate him to 6 out of 31. Additionally, mediocrity in deep ball accuracy can be said for many of the top QBs and that even an accomplished Joe Flacco, has a worse deep ball.

I agree his ball placement could be better but you only highlighted unfavorable comments CK made. Hard to view your opinion as being objective.
 
Kdawg954 said:
It's a shame that you feel you have the right to belittle someone else's football knowledge and ability to watch a football game.

CK has been wrong on many occasions. He is just as human as anybody else. I appreciate some of the effort he puts into "breaking down" the things he sees but he also skews things to his gut a little to often and has difficulty admitting when he is wrong.
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it was directed at the people who think his deep ball is the worst in the league and all on tannehill
 
Ok, let me sum it up.

Tannehill is slightly below average when throwing deep to high end speed receivers.

Tannehill is slightly better than average when throwing deep to modest or slower speed receivers.

Conclusion: Tannehill has a mediocre deep ball.

Funny ... the rest of us figured that out without all the research and breakdowns, and frankly, mediocre may be good enough for many of you, but I want good, very good or excellent.

I'm hopeful he gets there, but ( no offense to CK) it doesn't take a guy locking himself in a film room with a bag of pop corn to explain to us we we can plainly see.
 
NCFINFAN13 said:
Ok, let me sum it up.

Tannehill is slightly below average when throwing deep to high end speed receivers.

Tannehill is slightly better than average when throwing deep to modest or slower speed receivers.

Conclusion: Tannehill has a mediocre deep ball.

Funny ... the rest of us figured that out without all the research and breakdowns, and frankly, mediocre may be good enough for many of you, but I want good, very good or excellent.

I'm hopeful he gets there, but ( no offense to CK) it doesn't take a guy locking himself in a film room with a bag of pop corn to explain to us we we can plainly see.
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well not many guys in the league have great deep balls...everyone who complains here acts like it the worst in the league.
 
Nawledge said:
well not many guys in the league have great deep balls...everyone who complains here acts like it the worst in the league.
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I understand that. I don't think he has the worse deep ball by far, and I also think he's not being coached up properly. I'd love for Marino to spend time with the kid and see what develops.
 
dabeastdabone said:
Nice read. Tanne's haters are gonna be boiling mad.
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Really? actually the tanne realists don't need some mile long article breaking down every detail to explain that at the end of the day, tanne's deep ball to Wallace ends up in a high incompletion rate. That's what is seen with our own eyes. Regardless of who's fault it is. although it did take big ben and him a year to get acclimated to eachother too. I dunno im still torn.
 
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