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that's nice and all but they STILL have no RT.
Hickey, take a look at what Ozzie did.
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Strangely enough, Spielman has done OK in Minnesota except for the whole not having a QB thing. If Bridgewater can become productive as a rookie, Spielman's going to keep his job. If Bridgewater matures into a good NFL quarterback, Spielman's going to have a winning football team.
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Well, he fell because of injury, but they did manage to recruit UDFA James Hurst, who would have likely been a round 2 or 3 guy had he not gotten injured. It's not an immediate solution, but IMHO he was the best UDFA and a steal for the Ravens.
Hurst would have likely gone elsewhere if Ozzie had drafted a RT. And, there are still one-year, stop-gaps available in free agency.
The Ravens do not play the finesse game required of the most in-demand RT's. IMHO, the Ravens OL is closer to being finished than ours.
Similar quality LT's, and Yanda is as effective in their system as Pouncey is in ours. We drafted 2 rookies presumably to start, and the final position is either the injured Fox or Smith, who graded out as a worse pass protector than any OG we had last year.
I'd say both OL's are incomplete. And, that is with us banking on 2 FA's and 2 rookies. It looks like neither team is finished building their OL.
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Flacco was saked 30 times, a far cry from 58. Hickey was brought here to fix a problem and work to get players that Philbin and now Lazor need. Their grades are different then ours. But Hickey did what was best for his team and his job this year. To fix the problem with the right pieces available to him. If he's happy, and Coach is happy....then I am happy.
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I trust Hickey, who cares what Ozzie did? Lets worry about tomorrow and the season... draft is done. I think we got much stronger.
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Ozzie took a very overrated and dinged up MLB in the first.
Thanks for the pragmatic point of view. When there is no RT on the roster (not even a backup) heading into the draft, its always best to not draft one and try to fill the starting RT position with an injured UDFA who is projected to be a backup even when healthy. :up:
Right, but they just lost thier starting RT and have no replacement for him......sound familiar? Thats exactly how we went from 37 sacks to 58 sacks in one season.
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And who should we have taken instead? The board was already void of the top shelf talent by the time our pick came around. CJ Mosley wasn't there for us. Zack Martin wasn't there for us, etc. I would have liked a trade down there, but it's not like some amazing BPA was sitting there for us, and we passed.
Ozzie didn't have the deep hole to dig out from that Hickey did; he doesn't have a developing QB who has shown progressive promise when the OL was intact (yet still managed to win 8 games with an OL sieve, no blocking backfield nor effective blocking TE) and now, if not in danger of being triaged on the field, runs the risk of turning into David Carr: Also Ozzie didn't have to address a unit that was disruptive and toxic last season needing to be disbanded. Hickey did what he needed to do and also stocked the roster with a potential Boldin like gamebreaker and quality leaders as depth to be developed. The real litumus test on him should be next draft go-around (which if Tsar Roger has his way, might well end up being around Independence Day). You're not comparing apples to apples. But then again, I don't know that Hickey, unlike his predecessor and Ozzie would have given the actual Boldin away for the equivalent of a bucket of trinkets. So there's that too.
That's an excellent summary of Ozzie's method. Sound philosophy and inevitable to be successful long term. Naturally there will be peaks and valleys. The hilarity is that as soon as the naysayers think they have discovered a valley and attempt to rip Ozzie, the next high point is likely already underway.
Meanwhile, we slog around with random flails, always taking guys who are rated considerably higher in late April or early May than early the previous December. It makes me sick because it goes against everything I believe in, and I know what the bottom line will be via that approach. I've seen guys do it for decades in Las Vegas. It's no different than betting sports based on the most recent game or handful of games. Sure, occasionally it works but basically you are preoccupied with the same themes as the everyday fan. The oddsmakers see you coming from a mile away and so do the draft boards.
Ozzie didn't panic because it's hardly problematic to find a plug and play short or medium term solution at right tackle. Just as we overreact to late news in the draft process, we placed far too much weight on the Clabo example last year.
Instead of relaxed foresight, we panic and patch. That's the MO in regard to the roster and the stadium.
You do realize that Miami did take guys who were rated higher based on their tape....Turner, Landry, Tripp...all have fantastic tape...
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There was no other player that fit Miami's scheme available with a first round grade! Cooks in the first round is TERRIBLE value. Landry at the very end of round 2 is where you take slot receivers. NOT IN THE FIRST ROUND. Dennard is a very good player, but only fits Cover 2 and Press Defenses. Miami runs off man and off Cover 3. It's not like Hickey passed up Mosley or Shazier for James. THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE WORTH TAKING
Maybe we got it right by investing 2 high draft picks in the O-line. Because Ozzie elected not to draft O-linemen and also lost players, it sounds like he could experience some problems. It would be a crying shame if his $100M QB got injured because of inadequate protection. Sounds like Ozzie has to consider a trade if he is so thin on talent.
Maybe we reached for James, but it sounds like we did a thorough evaluation and determined how he ranked compared to other options. Full marks to Hickey for following his board re a position of need and getting the guys he wanted. He has effectively supported his coach in presenting some options. There may also be some merit in getting an old veteran like Clabo or Winston for added depth and experience in the locker room.
Maybe we reached for James, but it sounds like we did a thorough evaluation and determined how he ranked compared to other options. Full marks to Hickey for following his board re a position of need and getting the guys he wanted. He has effectively supported his coach in presenting some options. There may also be some merit in getting an old veteran like Clabo or Winston for added depth and experience in the locker room.
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Hickey had a 1st round grade on James, so this was not a case of overreaching. If you dislike the pick, then the debate should be about Hickey's grade for the player.